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"The revenue in small natoin has a glass ceiling . WE can never have the TV or arena money that big nations do, we are at about DII or DIII even sometimes comparative revenue of big nation...depending on nation size" -Wolph

For reference here is a list of US TV revenue(NBBA was at like 220k last season, not sure on this season)

http://www.buzzerbeater.com/community/forum/read.aspx?thr...

I'd say you are safely above any D.III revenue and most likely D.II as well, and not just in TV revenue but also in the arena cap and in the ease of having greater merchandising income.

Simple misunderstanding on the training then selling of players, and once again I would say the high prices for young'uns with high potential are the only ones out of line-and that's for the potential glory. Lower potential players, perennial allstar, sometimes even superstars can often be picked up easily enough and if trained properly can in my opinion still be sold for a profit or at least not too great of a loss.

On the FA point I tend to agree with you, they are for the most part unnecessary-though I do support the listing of all players on NTs who go bot.

Is this topic still about market balance? Your complains looks funny about micronation finances.

WE can never have the TV or arena money that big nations do, we are at about DII or DIII even sometimes comparative revenue of big nation...depending on nation size."

WHen I started in Nippon, in DII my TV money was 90k, from what I hear some DIIIs are at around 100 and most all big nation DIIs are over 100, maybe this is wrong. 189k in JBBL this season"

I would love to see my new TV contract worth 189k each week, but it is only 137k. In polish top league it is 220-225k and in Germany 240k. You should also remember that you can have higher merchandise on account of having
NT players in your roster. It is easier to make NT for you. Also you don't need to spend all you monet on salaries to stay competitive. You won last match with only 6 players, so probably you make big profit each week and stay unbeaten.

I spent over 4million building my arena the first 4 seasons. It is IMPOSSIBLE to make that on arena and TV income in DII Japan, the arena is too small and the TV too little. SO for my first 4 seasons my income from TV and arena was ZERO, I spent it ALL on my arena

You must be really sad after all this seasons. Cheer up! After 11 seasons I'm 2/3 way to make my arena looks like yours:)

Also our arena is also cappe,d we don't get that many high paying fans when we play bots or crummy teams regular season, it affects everything- arena, merch. etc.

I don't see any bot team in your league.

Your finance view might be a little distorted, because you have never player in Div IV oraz V.

Last edited by Pewu at 5/25/2012 5:54:27 AM

It's sound irresponsible that managers pays more for 18yo 5k draftee than 26yo 100k player.

If buyer is bidding on a player from his own country, I can understand him.

He wants to develop the player for his U21 and later NT. If this player will have 200k salary at age of 24, he will be getting around 30-40k merchandise on him alone (if he's a NT player of course). So he has a 160k player, giving him the output of 200k player, so he is saving 40k/week. Let's say his NT is playing 9 weeks/season, so he gets 360k/season back.

Now 1,5M doesn't look that awful now, does it?

And if the buyer is bidding on a player from another country (let's say USA manager, Italian player) and develops him into a great NT player, he will get a lot of money for him from Italians.

If hebuys him for 1.5M and then screws up the player's training, then THAT'S awful.

Last edited by Koperboy at 5/25/2012 6:13:13 AM

It's sound irresponsible that managers pays more for 18yo 5k draftee than 26yo 100k player.

If buyer is bidding on a player from his own country, I can understand him.

He wants to develop the player for his U21 and later NT. If this player will have 200k salary at age of 24, he will be getting around 30-40k merchandise on him alone (if he's a NT player of course). So he has a 160k player, giving him the output of 200k player, so he is saving 40k/week. Let's say his NT is playing 9 weeks/season, so he gets 360k/season back.

Now 1,5M doesn't look that awful now, does it?

And if the buyer is bidding on a player from another country (let's say USA manager, Italian player) and develops him into a great NT player, he will get a lot of money for him from Italians.

If hebuys him for 1.5M and then screws up the player's training, then THAT'S awful.

Calculations seems right, but in my country there are a lot >1M draftee transactions. I could say that just few reach level of 150k salary. Even more, only up to 10 can make national team. It means my player in polish NT can play only with stron or proficient game shape. If i have tough week including cup game, then my player will drop in stamina and I'll have less merchandise income.

I could say that just few reach level of 150k salary. Even more, only up to 10 can make national team.

I think it's really easy to train a great NT player who you bought for 1M or less. It's just a matter of being patient, working with the player every week and waiting until he's ready (~26 years for SF, other positions ~24). And following NT coach's advice of course.

I guess a lot of people try that, but get suffocated in their player's salary and sell it to someone who doesn't train the player anymore. Or they quit the game. So IMO, in order to develop great NT player you don't have to be overly clever or experienced in BB - you just have to be persistent. Even my girlfriend can raise a great NT player. I mean, U21 coach can tell her every week what to do and that's it (and before you think of replying with some sexual remarks, please be sure to check up on who is current U21 manager of our country, haha)

Last edited by Koperboy at 5/25/2012 6:38:49 AM

You are right, patience is really important in training. Moreover you need some extra money to pay him salary, when he reaches >150k especially in Div.3-5. However I still say 1M for 18 yo players is overpriced. You need time to make him really good, but at the same time on the market you can find your future player for almost same price (if you include trainer wage, worse arena income etc.).

However I still say 1M for 18 yo players is overpriced.

There is something interesting with this statement...

If I recall correctly, before free angets started flooding the market, 18y olds were very expensive, haven't they? I mean, I remember two teams with L7 trainers bidding on a trainee for over 3 or even 4M.

Now you have a lot of quality trainees as free agents who bring more training with them that the BB community can handle (as per Wolph and last season I finally understood what he was talking about).

So did the value of 18y olds dropped because there are lots of quality super-trained 20 and 21y old free agents around or because the prices of 150k plus players dropped? Because you would like your 18y old to become that 150k player once...but if you can buy 150k HoF or 18y HoF for the same price, which one do you choose?

I guess it's a little bit of both.

If I recall correctly, before free angets started flooding the market, 18y olds were very expensive, haven't they? I mean, I remember two teams with L7 trainers bidding on a trainee for over 3 or even 4M.

Some players were sold for over 3M this season, so nothing changed here. First of all, we can 150k player are not replaced with 20 and 21 FA. There is small correlation between them how much they cost. Prices didn't drop just like that. There are many factors which affect that. Price is only a result. And I wouldn't say that prices of 18y olds have dropped. I didn't see on the market.

Because you would like your 18y old to become that 150k player once...but if you can buy 150k HoF or 18y HoF for the same price, which one do you choose?

I guess it's a little bit of both.

I'll choose 150k HoF (he don't need such a potential, after those seasons of training, because I'll train him only ST and FT). I'll save my time.

He wants to develop the player for his U21 and later NT. If this player will have 200k salary at age of 24, he will be getting around 30-40k merchandise on him alone (if he's a NT player of course). So he has a 160k player, giving him the output of 200k player, so he is saving 40k/week. Let's say his NT is playing 9 weeks/season, so he gets 360k/season back.

I don't disagree with the premise, and I think it's definitely preferable in many cases to create your own player rather than buy one. But I'm not sure I follow the math on this one - what really needs to be looked at is how much difference is earned by following the plan of training this player rather than buying the equivalent finished player. If you get 40k merchandise from the guy you trained, vs. 30k from buying an assembly-line created guy, the net gain is really only 10k and throws the calculations in a new direction.