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I love this game but I’m currently in a BBM Game that is souring me on this whole experience. My opponent (who is ranked higher than me) didn’t set a lineup and I’m playing lucky fans. It’s half time, I’m up big…. But I have 43 team fouls. My starting SG fouled out in just 7 minutes. The backup SG has 5 fouls! I think I had 1 person foul out all last season. Clearly this is computer assistance trying to turn this into a lucky fan vs lucky fan game (I can assume so I don’t end up with a massive +/- for BBM), but this is a very disheartening look into the game engine.

Edit: turns out it defaults to a 50-0 win when there’s a forfeit. The game engine still made me mad haha.

Last edited by Gigantor at 2/15/2023 10:07:16 PM

What happens if both teams forfeit a match?

Well, for one thing, this is the first week of the season, so game shape plays no part at all and everyone is on the same game shape.

So then it becomes about the players matchups and skills. Firstly, my opponent had one key player missing with injury, so I believe I definitely have the advantage with the roster. I think my opponent realized that this was the case, which is why he opted to play his players out of their usual positions, hoping to disrupt the defensive matchups on my end. You can see this by checking the players ratings as well as his team's ratings.

We are both playing man to man, and he has chosen Look Inside as his offense, so I am pretty confident that my players are up for the coverage. Now on my side, I have gone with Base Offense. Personally, I have had a lot of success with Base Offense, but I did receive a private message from one of Poland's top managers, telling me that Base Offense is the reason I lost the game. Now, I do realize that in terms of offensive efficiency and conversion, Look Inside plays better than Base Offense, but considering that he also has a wrong GDP, my offense should run better than usual. Adding the offensive flow to the mix, I believe I should have come out on top in this game.

Erm, do correct me if I'm wrong, but OF is probably the least impactful rating out of those 6 (alongside rebounding, because the impact of rebounding isn't too high in the first place, that's why it's sacrificed pretty often), so I don't see why you think that gives you any upper hand. Apparently high OF means you turn over the ball less (which did happen because you had less TOs) and have more efficient looks. But OF is heavily weighted at PG, so even if they makes up that deficit at PG in other positions, they would still have lower OF, but their ability to retain the ball and create open looks might be comparable to yours.

As for roster advantage, the ratings seem to suggest otherwise (not to say his team is better, but looks pretty evenly matched outside of OF and rebounding, which I have already explained why those won't really move the needle). I guess his team was just built better for LI while your team, while having had some success with base offense, just couldn't match his output on LI if he didn't get GDP wrong (I have also read that GDP is most significant in the first quarter, and the significance gets less because the GE will make changes as the game goes on, so this might play some part as well). I guess in the end it probably boiled down to FTs - your players' ID might not have been enough to guard against his players' IS, thus sending them to the line more often. Or it could be aggression.

Then again, I'm not the best person to analyze games, so do point out any inaccuracies in my analysis.

It would also help if you actually posted a link to the game (there are buttons on top of the box you type in for you to use), you might have more people helping coz it's less work than having to manually copy it from your message.

Thank you for your input.

Well, I do agree with you that OF and Rebounding are less impactful than the other team ratings, however, in close games such as this one, these small advantages make the difference. It's the same thing with the wrong GDP, which I believe has somewhere between 5 to 7 percent impact. His inside scoring is about 3 points higher than mine, but my outside scoring is nearly 4 points higher than his, and my defensive ratings are better than his. So like I said, in close games like this, these small advantages (combined with the fact that he had a key player injured and game shapes are all equal) should make the difference.

Well, anyway, thank you again

I don't think matching your outside scoring with his outside scoring is the right way to see things.

If we go solely by ratings, I would see it this way: you're a normal focus team, so if your team takes outside shots it's your proficient (high) offense vs their prolific (medium) defense, while if your team attacks inside, you are putting your prolific (low) offense against their prolific (medium) defense. Both your teams point of focus is lower than his defense. Meanwhile, your prolific (medium) inside defense has to handle his wondrous (medium) offense (which probably caused you to have a lot of fouls). Your outside defense might overwhelm his outside offense, but he is attacking inside, so I would think it's redundant (disclaimer: this is just how I would analyze the ratings personally. It's not some knowledge I picked up from the forums so don't take it as an absolute xD)

If you look at it this way, it doesn't seem like a close game anymore. The only reason it's close is probably because of GDP.

That said, I still think the reason you lost was because of the FTs.

Last edited by BuzzRBeater at 2/17/2023 4:08:48 AM

I won last season, this season I’m going to get my teeth kicked in. I plan to downgrade my doctor to save money. Would everyone agree that firing a staff member (when downgrading skills), it’s ideal to do it after your Saturday game and before Monday economic update?

I have to pay a 1 week severance, but I’d like to get the benefit of using him in tonight’s (Saturday night) game.