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off course noone wants to sell this kind off player. why do you think that is? i appreciate it very much that you want to help the NT, but I think that you need to be very patient or train a player or 2 from scratch yourself.

or perhaps you can find someone that is willing to train the guard bit for you and than sell the player to you in the future. Perhaps you could train a big for this person and than trade. I know in several countries they do this.

well, I do know the England set up, and you're talking bollocks. He's not a PF, he's not even close to being in the top three England PFs, he's a limited back up centre. Lamie, Pohlmann, Innes, Wainwright would all be better starting PFs.

Kleim on my roster has possibilities long term - but with only Superstar potential he may not be good enough in the primary big man skills.

thank you for once again putting words into my mouth. as you always like to do.

i never said he is the best. or that he is the best PF we have.

i know you would use a guard with extremely low OD and good shooting skills. I have seen the skills for the players you selected and your pick was very "selfminded" to say at the best. I prefer to take one with higher OD and average shooting skills. we have a different opinion on the game and what players we should use.

i said he needs training and i will stick with that.

i dont know what i ever done to you that you feel like you always need to personally attack me on these forums, but go ahead. if it makes you feel better use me as your punching ball. i will not lower myself to your level and personally attack you. and i have good reason to do so and i have great examples too. but i wont.

if lamie is so great, than why did you sell him and replace him with an iranian player. why didnt you buy pohlmann when he is so great when he was for sale 3 weeks ago? if you want to call a player with Jump Shot: mediocre Jump Range: mediocre a PF, please be my guest. but for me he will never be a true PF.

if you have such a big interest in running the NT than i strongly suggest you run again next term and show the community how much time and effort you are really willing to put into the NT. if you arent really bothered with the NT, as your past stint as NT coach showed than use the forums as you wish to post your personal feelings about me any time you like, but i would very much like for you to stay out off the NT and mind your own business regarding the NT. we want to build a team for the future and not have any attempt by someone like you to destroy the good thing we have going with your desctructive and personal posts on the forum.

not a single player is better than another. why? because they all have their own skill sets and can be used in different situations. so dont tell me which player is better than the other, you are comparing apples with bananas and i am not interested in listening to such bullcrap.



Last edited by Astragoth at 8/31/2011 4:31:47 PM

Lamie's not so great, he's just good (he won me my first tournament) and didn't fit the age profile I needed at my club. Stop patronising people if you don't want me to have a go at you. The lad made a perfectly good point about his lack of OD for pF and you shat on him.

I have no issues with criticising you personally when you behave like a prat.

i am glad you are behaving all grown up. i will do my best not to learn from you and perfer to be like a prat...

the lad made a perfectly good point about OD and I agreed to that. but you have to be realistic too. a PF with OD 7 or 8 isnt possible for the england NT in years to come.

we all know what ideal skills a great PF has. we dont need to dwell on that. we need to be realistic and stay focused. the guy on the TL, if we can get him to OD 5, whether he is C or PF is a good starting point. everything higher than that is very unrealistic. that is what i said and that is what i ment and i will stick to that. if you want to read anything other than that, so be it. that is your problem and not mine.

if you are so all knowing than prove me wrong and buy him or a similar player and train the perfect PF we need for the NT. jumprange 7 or 8 and Outside defence 7 or 8 will do. with Kliems superstar potential, that must be doable. show us it is realistic and prove me wrong or else keep your apples and bananas comparison to yourself.

Last edited by Astragoth at 8/31/2011 4:39:13 PM

well try not to be a patronising prat, and we'll be fine.

To be blunt, I think you're blinded by Sands-Pierson's HoF potential. He has too many faults to be an NT PF, With a LOT of passing he might make a back up C for Motion tactics but really the ship has already sailed for S-P and I questionw hether anything can really be made of him.

if you really did spend some time in scouting the NT and potential prospects, than you should know that we dont have alot better than sands pearson. (i am not saying you didnt spend time before you misread my sentence again)

if we can get him some passing and a little bit off scoring, that would be a bonus. this is why i said in my speech that i see the NT as a very long project. if need be, i will train multi skilled players myself.

and i was serious what i said to the other guy too, i am more than happy to train a big guy (big in length) in outside skills and than pass him on to someone that is willing to make him a PF or trade him to someone that does the opposite. i know from experience that training both inside and outside skills yourself on 1 and the same player, doesnt make it worth it.

we are 3 to 4 seasons away from having multi skilled players. until than we need to try and improve the players we have as much as we can and take every win as a bonus.

we have some great trained guards coming and a super SF. the owners are all willing to train them well. now all we need is some good PFs and C and we will have a good core set off players. until than dont act like we have good players, because i am sure you very well know we dont have them. if they would be good enough you would have taken some aboard yourself because several have been for sale over the last few weeks.

ps if i would want to patronise the other guy, i wouldnt have given him all the tips that i gave him.



Last edited by Astragoth at 8/31/2011 5:06:09 PM

ps if i would want to patronise the other guy, i would have given him all the tips that i gave him.

It was patronising. Your Freudian slip speaks for itself. But you did make a good argument elsewhere when you challenged him to manage the NT. I plan on taking you up on that challenge next election. Personally, I think we should organize our team along the lines of what the Silverbacks are going in USA's top league. From what I understand, they use phenomenal outside D to beat Look Inside. I know the England teams have limited resources to build monsters. Thus, I would focus on encouraging managers to build up the Outside D to 20+, leave the Inside D around 9-13, and focus the Big Men salaries on Inside scoring, rebounding and driving. Oh, and no one makes the national team with passing less than 6. Preferably 8.

i made a typo in that message and have changed it

you dont need to pick up the challenge.

i am more than happy for you to run the NT and select the bigs with passing no lower than level 6. cant wait for you to do that.

i will finish my term and wait and see what bigs with passing 6 or higher, especially 8 and higher you will pick...

good luck on being the new NT coach. i will surely vote for you.

Last edited by Astragoth at 8/31/2011 5:10:16 PM

I think the point is that we need to have clear targets for the managers who train for the NT. If we set the policy that bigs need to have decent passing, and that we don't care as much if the Inside D is above 13, then that is what the trainers will train. We all have to be on the same page. NT managers can't just cross their fingers and hope. Now, I'm not saying that's what you are doing, and I understand that you can only do the best with what you are dealt.

However, since the England team is out of any serious international contention, now might be a good time to take stock of what we have and get everyone on the same page. Encouraging us to train big men with horrible secondaries and HoF potential is a waste of time because in 2 years, when they are half decent, the current crop of 23 year olds will be much better and that HoF player won't even make the NT.

sands-pierson is one of our higher potential prospects yes, but his limitations are clear to see.