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Problem with convincing anyone to deviate from their current training path to an outside offense training path is that until they are sure that the GE changes eliminate the LI advantage, they won't want to deviate training. No one wants to train a JS/JR player, currently they have high salary and no value. Our best outside offense guard (Logsdon) retired at 30 because no one wanted to pay $1m for him. Convincing people to train more balanced players (train secondaries) we are already doing, but training outside offense guards will be extremely difficult to convince anyone to train those types of players until we know for sure the GE changes will be significant.

Edit: We do have guards and bigs with secondaries in the pipeline, takes at least 8 seasons of training from rookie year for balanced type players to be NT ready. So we are doing what people are talking about, one could argue that we didn't start doing it soon enough like CR, Poland, Slovakia did. Arguing it wont change the past, but currently we have been deviating, just no one is training another Logsdon, and no one would even if we asked them to.

Last edited by jfarb at 3/6/2013 10:39:05 PM

Is the GE supposed to have a big update or something. I guess I missed something but I haven't heard any news of this. Can anyone explain this a bit more in detail to me. I agree that major changes should not be made, but we should be heading toward a newer path seeing as this one isn't working as well as we assumed.

Yes some GE changes have been announced to be implemented after next season I believe. Something about reducing the dominance of LI, increasing effectiveness of shotblocking skill.

Point I was making is we have been heading towards a new path, but again it takes 8 seasons of training from 18yrs old for a player to be NT ready. So all of this discussion about deviating or changing as far as player development is not that relevant in my opinion. The discussion of changing tactics...idk itd be nice if we have the ability to change offenses to bust 2-3 zones etc, but with Logsdon/Bronson retired and limited roster space in which to assemble a versatile team it will be difficult in the short term until other players are ready or the GE changes.

Can we really? In my term we had Logsdon, Bronson, Madrid, Medrano, Dube etc. Guys with heavy JS/JR, so we went outside offense, that and our bigs were garbage outside Jairo. Now our guards top out at what 18 JS/13 JR? Up against 19-20 OD opponents every game, plus the top tier Worlds opponents have OD at PF and C so even if we had several Nielsens as we hope we will idk how much it will help. I think we would need the GE change to be significant plus a Logsdon or two.

Agree building a roster that does both will be difficult. Making bigs that can do both is easier, guards and SFs that can do both very difficult and not enough roster spots.

Last edited by jfarb at 3/6/2013 10:57:39 PM

Land me a player that can develop into a logsdon or better and I'll train him that way for you. Point blank and period. Just ask.

I am positive there are managers whom if asked would or could do that for the country.

Edit: I doubt my guy Marks at SS potential will be able to be a sf for nt. but I am going to train him as if he needs to compete against people on that level anyways

Last edited by ShadowSlam at 3/6/2013 11:07:06 PM

I think its impossible to have a roster to do both. Thats were the decision comes in each season of what we think gives us the best chance of winning.

Hypothetically though, the ideal tactic to have both inside and outside would be PTB. With that, I could see if we had the right players all around, maybe some good outside guards, good inside guards, good passing, both types of SFs, a couple two way PFs, and typical centers, then we could potentially pull it off.



Last edited by Isaiah at 3/6/2013 11:08:18 PM

I think that American teams who train National Team players need more recognition. What they are doing is a service that should be rewarded with more than just a little flag next to the player's name. What about something like a list of all the managers that contribute to the national team on the forums? It isn't much, but at least it would recognize each team specifically for helping. We are all trying to put the pressure on the NBBA teams, but I think they should at least deserve some praise in return. In fact, all American teams that have national team players should be noticed. Thanks:
Arizona Desert Storm
AirBallers
Ambitious and Misunderstood
King Drive Ballers x2
Lake Merritt Arrows x2
BasedGodz
Bruins
Kentucky Wildcats.