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Yeah, so far African NTs were so good. If they do bad now it was totally the merge that fucked them!

Anybody considered that it's natural that countries with more managers have better NTs? It's like in reality, the USA has the best NT because there are more people playing basketball there than in the rest of the world.

Look at the scaredy cat, complaining about a sensible approach to a situation which might cause some users to leave. Do you feel the need to penalise others, just because you and Germany couldn't win anything with the NT despite all the long term planning?

The merge penalised them yes. As they were picking ahead of bots they were guaranteed to pick the best players in their drafts if they scouted properly. So they collectively could theoretically pick the best from a dozen drafts. Now they pick from 5 drafts and there are fewer bots.

The point is more general point about micronations. Merging just exacerbate the problem.

Maybe German BB users prefer no competition, maybe they prefer playing fodder at the NT level so they can tell themselves their high SB players do work at that level...until they don't. I don't know.

What problem does it cause you if micronations receive a guaranteed 4 trainable players (not necessarily the managers from those nations) each season? Is it going to make it easier for Germany to fail at the NT level? I don't think so. In fact you should just toss in 4 players for each nation and be done with it. Micros will benefit more and you Germans can stop whining that Senegal or Congo got an unfair advantage over you. Most of these players don't even go for more than 150k and likely less than 50k if they are 8 potential.

Note that, as in real life, the US equivalents of this game, Italy and Spain, will always have the advantage as they have many more drafts to pick from and will naturally get a much higher number of top prospects....


Edit: LOL they hired Morwood after you as the NT manager...I see...

Last edited by Lemonshine at 6/29/2017 12:32:18 PM

Sure, I was just trying to make it easier for germany to become world champion because the countries keeping us from doing so in the past were ghana and south africa....

Then what the hell is your problem? Why should we make it harder/more unpleasant for a few hundred users playing in micronations? Let them have their U21 and NT and let it be meaningful. They won't win anything but at least they will still have something to work together as a national community. If more users join all the better, it doesn't change the reasoning, though.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 6/29/2017 2:31:00 PM

Basically i was just teasing you guys for acting like Marin destroyed the African NTs with the merge. You're making a big thing out of a disadvantage that is minor compared to the fact how small their countries are. If the merge leads to more African teams it will in the long run benefit their communities and NTs.

So basically your attitude is "they're only small nations, why bother?"

And don't complain I'm misrepresenting what you said, since you've just done that to me.

Exactly!!! Now they can't train their 18 yr olds in Div 1 games against bots and get Div. 1 money without racking up the L's. That is the only reason why I see anybody who got merged crying about it.
We just lost a long tiume user in Japan and I am sure there will be more if no merger is planned for the small countries of Asia.

you need to throw a league game or the cup now.

It's always been like that for the majority of people training. Of course in D2 nowadays you can probably get away with 20yo trainees and try to win when they play.

unless they are stupid enough to try to play legit in a world of cheaters and just watch from the outside as a fan-boy

>>me!?<<

NT will alwyas be shit who cares. NON-issue for mergers. NTs already sucked balls for all micro nations. They still have a superior chance for NT players on their team, their teams will still suck balls, it will still require cheating to change that.

South Africa did have some users involved with the national teams. It stands to reason that if instead of 12 they were, say, 30 they could try to compete at least at the U21 level. Problem is: if the chance of that happening was very low before the merger now it's objectively much lower. I'm not sure what the fun is in a) coaching and b) playing against micronation NTs. If they toss some trainees to FA someone will pick them up hoping they can train them to play in the NT.

Since you had NT players in the past I'm sure you know the contribution to Merchandising is big. That alone is a good reason to balance the draft in micronations. In a competitive league the bump to Merchandising will be much more significant than in bot leagues.

Basically now the talent that 1 african user will draft on average is similar to other countries, while before it was much higher. If they decide to add extra talent for micros via FA, good! I don't even dislike the idea. But your continued claim that the merge lead to unfairness in the draft is just wrong.

Man it not hard to understand, but as Gully said you clearly have a knack for building strawmen and misrepresent other people's opinions.

Now I will repeat one last time:
USERS: NOBODY said it's unfair for the USERS. For them as USERS it's absolutely fine and I agree that now they are more in line with the rest of the BB world.

NATIONS: PROBLEM! There are fewer trainable players because the announcers and benchwarmers will not go to bots. Since these NATIONS only have a handful of users, then the Devs should help said NATIONS by making 3, 4, 5, whatever, players drafted by bots into FA. So whoever gets them, even if he's from Germany, will unwittingly help those NATIONS to maintain a reasonable bottom level. Users who want to help their NATION can purchase those FA with their main team or Utopia team and train.

The unfairness is not between USERS, the unfairness is between NATIONS and even more so between micronations which have been merged and micros which have not been. And for those who have been merged, if nothing is done, it might make more sense to scrap NTs altogether, but I'm not sure anyone wants that. Do you want that? Do you not enjoy training and being involved with your NT and U21? Why would you want to make it harder for other to enjoy the same thing?

Last edited by Lemonshine at 6/30/2017 10:18:36 AM