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66284.53 in reply to 66284.49
Date: 1/13/2009 10:11:39 PM
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Just when a threads ticking along nicely - you come and butt in.

Brain - Just scanning thru my top 'small' sample.... All my top guards are between 0.28 & 0.35% from the 3 line. With Bastias/Berger pushing up the averages (Big men) although they are mainly played in PF and sometimes SF role. But I have not been so predicatable with my tactics this season.

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Date: 1/14/2009 8:53:31 AM
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Well, it is written that this game uswes NBA rules. So college basketball (and european or any international basketball) is irrelevant.

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Date: 1/15/2009 11:02:07 AM
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If the percentage for 3 point shooting is to be raised to make it more realistic i think the amount of 3s attempted should be lowered.

If we look at TheUnrepentantGunner statistics for season 5 we can see that he averaged 39 attemps per game. For the current NBA season the team with the most attempts pr game is the Knicks with 29, hitting 35.8% of those.

Next is the Orlando Magic with 26 attemps per game hitting 40% followed by the Hawks with 21 attemps and 38%.

This team in my division (41432) had an average in season 5 of 36.9 attempts per game. This season its 31 a game.

This team in Norway div1 (41394) has an average of 32 3s a game.


Not evidence, but it suggests to me that the amount of 3s attempted by an run and gun team is a bit high.

On the other hand, not one team in the NBA ((still current season) has below 12 attempts a game. This season i average 6.8. I suppose that is a good thing, considering i hit only 19.4 % of those. Boosted i might add by stellar shooting by my Center who has hit 40% of his 3s. Yep, he has hit 2/5.

But still lower than Amar'e Stoudemire 60% 3s this season, he hit 3/5.


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66284.57 in reply to 66284.55
Date: 1/19/2009 6:29:10 AM
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Well, it is written that this game uswes NBA rules.


Seeing is believing and I'd like to see and read that somewhere other than forum post. So where to look?

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Date: 1/19/2009 11:16:31 AM
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Well, it is written that this game uswes NBA rules.


Seeing is believing and I'd like to see and read that somewhere other than forum post. So where to look?


Maybe we can have it added to the Rules.

It's 100% that the game was meant to use NBA rules, and that is a fact, not speculation.

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66284.59 in reply to 66284.56
Date: 1/19/2009 2:16:43 PM
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some of that is because i almost always ran run and gun (high pace and lots of outside shots), AND because i went full court press, increasing my possessions even more. furthermore.

as a result my games had on aggregate a much higher average number of chances than most games. look at my playoff run and youll see just how dramatic it was

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66284.60 in reply to 66284.59
Date: 1/19/2009 2:59:35 PM
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I know, that was kinda the point:-)

As for FCP the team i linked to in my division has not used that much and still have a higher than normal average. Even this season while playing a couple of games without RNG.

Furthermore i checked out bb-stats for the amount of 3ps attempted in my division:

Kåre Øverli (2568475) 177 attempts over 15 games: 11.5 average
Harry Dahlstrøm (2409926) 168 attempts over 13 games: 12.9 average
Gabriel Martinez (2667906) 150 attemptw over 14 games: 10.7 average
Kjetil Sollie (3119847) 135 attempts over 15 games: 9 average.

The alltime record for 3ps attempts in one season in the NBA is currently held by George McCloud. He had an average of 8.5 a game.

As a curiosity i might add that the current NBA leader in 3p attempts is the 6 ft 10 PF and occasionally small forward Rashard Lewis. He is averaging 6.8 attempts a game:-)






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66284.61 in reply to 66284.60
Date: 1/19/2009 9:29:53 PM
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what about 3pA per 48 minutes? BB currently has star players playing much more often than NBA teams.

Also I don't think there is anything wrong with a broader range of tactical implementations than exist in the NBA... the NBA has a bit of a tendency to imitate itself and not much of a dynamic to try different things. I think BB is better off having a broader distribution of tactics and shooting distributions.

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66284.62 in reply to 66284.61
Date: 1/19/2009 11:59:18 PM
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i would like to share,

i hope it helps, since im palying R&G tactics ever since. i kinda understands the shooting side of things,

one thing we have to have in our mindset is, no matter if you have a sensational JS or higher and a proficient or higher JR you just cant equate everything to kobe like or paul pierce or even ray allen in terms of play day in and day out in terms of shooting the lights out. i dont know those wondrous or higher would do.

if you have a player whether its a guard or forward or center to be your best attacker, if he doesnt have passing skill he will reluctantly take more shots and a lot of those surely are forced shot, one thing we cant translate or see here in our games is when do we know a player takes force shots out of he cant pass or being a ball hog.

one thing is sure you need passing skill for me at average at most so you can have quality passes that just wouldnt translate to turnover or steals when your player is double team or being checked nor would he forced his shots.

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secondly i havent really proven this but i kinda see the relationship of JS and JR.

the JS is somewhat like the range of % your shooting will be an example is 20-35% so the higher your skill level the higher your % coverage and your JR is what helps you stay on the high %. this is looking only at your player

* note: if anyone can help me prove that sensational JS and a wondrous JS with regards to % in respect to their JR tell me, because im not sure the increase would be that high coming to certain level and further

( this part i havent yet got a clear thing so it would be hard for me to prove how much and all the effect)
but this diviates depending on the defender your player plays against the better defensive skill he has the lower your % will clip in so if you have high skill level it doesnt really translate it will go in all the time but a nice % will come. also keep imn mind the quality of shots your taking, imagine everytime a player releases a shot, in my mind GE checks the environment your shooter at that time has and withit gets a certain %, so even with a open or no defense you player has a chance his shot will miss!

i do believe the GE makes the defense adjust, so if your just a shooter and no driving or even passing surely a lot of those touches are forced unless you really have a high skill level that can still give a nice %.

a example is my starting sg, there was once he average almost 50% from the 3 pt line but when i took on a better or a team that was training guards it didnt shock me that my sg had a horrendous shooting i think it was at 20-30%. wow isnt it.

so dont expect a bad night here in bb because its not just your player or the program but also how the environment reacts to your player.

environment also includes your players stamina!

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as much as we like to see we have one or 2 super dominant players, he needs a good supporting cast for me this is the key and never never underestimate the skill of passing.
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Last edited by Shoei at 1/20/2009 12:20:27 AM

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Date: 1/20/2009 3:01:49 AM
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what about 3pA per 48 minutes? BB currently has star players playing much more often than NBA teams.


Kåre Øverli and ​Gabriel Martinez are averaging 32 minutes and 34 minutes a game, George Mccloud had an average of 36 minutes in his record setting season.

Also I don't think there is anything wrong with a broader range of tactical implementations than exist in the NBA... the NBA has a bit of a tendency to imitate itself and not much of a dynamic to try different things. I think BB is better off having a broader distribution of tactics and shooting distributions.


That might be so, but that is not what this thread is about. Its intention is bringing 3ps up to an realistic level:-)