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The understanding of the boxscore is always based on the hypothesis that team ratings are a precise description of the match. But from the very beginning of this game, it seems clear that this is not true. A few times, BBs have posted about this, and of course it is logical that it is not easy to summary the whole match, with the sophisticated BuzzerBeater game engine opperating in every single second, in just a few ratings, and logically it cannot be precise (and probably it is designed for not being so precise but this is another topic).
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Of course, with time, some users can develop a kind of "empirical" or practical correlations between the result of the match and the team rates (i.e. you need two levels more of attack than the opposite defense in order to have a good chance of success). These correlations were not working very well with the old GE, but they were a good approach for a good number of matches.
Now with the new GE, people will have to develop new rules, which does not mean that the new GE is ramdom.
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Now and before, the best way to understand what happened in a match is to watch de Live. If we were scientists, the experiment is the live of the match and the team ratings are a few notes taken by our just arrived laboratory assistant... We have to believe only what we see... and that is in the live match.
Tactics are always "tactics at the beginning", but the game engine can change them slightly to try to win the game when things do not run well. There are so many things happening in the match that cannot be traslated into ratings...
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Last edited by Emilio at 8/5/2009 2:30:28 PM

Now and before, the best way to understand what happened in a match is to watch de Live. If we were scientists, the experiment is the live of the match and the team ratings are a few notes taken by our just arrived laboratory assistant... We have to believe only what we see... and that is in the live match.

This does not seems to be truth. Because, the live match has it's own misleading issues. Currently, everything seems to give you a incomplete puzzle sometimes difficult to understand and most difficult yet, to correctly predict.

I am not talking about the viewer, which may have technical problems. I am talking about "what is happening" in the match. For example, depending on the coach orders, you may have your starting player being defended by the reserve of the other team. You cannot see this in the team ratings, but this kind of matchups are important for the result of the match. That's just an example, but there are many others.

Currently, everything seems to give you a incomplete puzzle sometimes difficult to understand and most difficult yet, to correctly predict.

Just as difficult to understand or predict a real basket match, I guess.

If anybody can confirm... there seems to be more instances where your PF/C defends the perimeter, and when your guards defend the inside. (such that players sometimes guard other positions). Therefore, players that are more balanced are more important?

Yes, the zone defences have been made into excactly that, zone defences. So if you intend to use zones, then yes, it is good to have both ID and OD (and perhaps some SB,HN,RB too)

If anybody can confirm... there seems to be more instances where your PF/C defends the perimeter, and when your guards defend the inside. (such that players sometimes guard other positions). Therefore, players that are more balanced are more important?

Yes, the zone defences have been made into excactly that, zone defences. So if you intend to use zones, then yes, it is good to have both ID and OD (and perhaps some SB,HN,RB too)

ok, but sometimes zone defenses work a bit funny.
In my last game, with me playing r&g and my opponent defending 1-3-1 zone, I saw his PG defending on a dunk of my C.

With a 3-2 defense is quite common (2-3 times a game) to have the C defending on 5-6 meters jumper of opponent's guards.

Overall I feel that zone defenses are much less efficient than they used to be with the previous GE.

Its obviously true that watching live match it helps you to understand several things, but what im complaining about is that lot of pleople(me the first) is really confused about the new rebounding system and also the zones working. At least, the rebounding it seems to be really random to be honest and im still waiting an explanation of BB's about how is it working, because i dont see that high skills on rebounds does a lot of difference in compare with lower rebounds levels.

One big part of the fun we get from this game, is trying to figure out what's happening within the game engine. That's our "job", and not BB's, because if they just come here and explain how does it work, then no more fun...
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It will take time to know how does the new rebounding system work, and how to improve our teams. Rebounding could become a kind of "midfield" as in HT, so it must be very well balanced to avoid that the one who wins the rebound battle, wins the game. That would be horrible for this game. That's the only important thing in my opinion about rebounding.
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Most changes in the new GE are only trying to make the game closer to the reality. This is the case of zone defenses, assistences and turnovers. There is nothing bad on this. But of course now we need to change a little bit our mind to adjust to the new system.
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For me it is clear, I have to change my strategy to adjust to the new GE, and not change the game engine to make it fit to my old strategy.
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At the beginning of the season it was clear that something big was wrong in the new GE, but now things are much better. Always small issues, but of course the result is much better in my opinion.

In the case of the 1-3-1, maybe your offense outplayed/out passed the zone, which created a huge opening for the C to get a dunk in and due to being the closest to the C, the PG was put into the text or he came closer to the paint with the C to help defend him.

Overall I feel that zone defenses are much less efficient than they used to be with the previous GE.

I fully agree. The zone defense was quite useless before now is really useless, that's a pity play with the right tactic should help you to win and not to lose.

i totally disagree, i have won games against better opponents because of playing the right zone def.

Overall I feel that zone defenses are much less efficient than they used to be with the previous GE.

I fully agree. The zone defense was quite useless before now is really useless, that's a pity play with the right tactic should help you to win and not to lose.

Ned,there are two choises for the new GE
1)have a monster team in all of players
2)take a money and decide the side,throw him and play :P