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Anyway, you've been one I've discussed a lot with and I respect, so if you show me a build, I believe it. Also its totally easy to read your posts. 129 I can believe. Heavy on DR though for sure. IF you coudl get that on a low DR big with an L4, that I would want to see numbers on. Actually I would have trouble believing anyone can get to 130 TSP with less than 10 DR.

He is a NT player currently and I won't post his skills.
About DR. I never trained it, but it's one of this skills which goes up as soon as you go for passing and handling. And Haek was trained in both to a guard level. So DR ended up at 12. -.- That's what you get if you have to train PA from 4 upwards. (Since Nestor is only pot 7 and won't play a role for the NT: he started with DR 1, HA 8 and PA 7. I trained his PA and HA until 15 and 14 and his DR was at 4. If you start with a DR 7 player, you will end up in double digits in DR for sure.)

OD, ID and SB were for me Heaks prior skills. For the first 7 seasons he received only defense training. With the first training as a 23 year old he had 15/15/15. He started with 5/5/6. That makes 29 defense ups in 5 seasons plus 13 ups in other skills like handling or rebound.

In the end I have a player now, who is neither a guard nor a big. It doesn't matter if he plays at PG or PF or C. He can defend every position and player in every tactic. But like I wrote several posts before: his biggest strength is his biggest weakness at the same time. As soon as he's on the floor, he creates an area where it's hard to score. With this he can shut down or at least cripple his direct opponent. But this leads to more actions from the other four oppoents and ergo our german players have to defend more.

Training slows down VERY FAST on the back end because everything in BB is designed that way. THere are very few formulas in BB that work on a linear scale.

Its not
1 2 3 4 5 6
It's
more like
1 4 9 16 25 36....
etc.

I mean it was created by math guys etc. They didn't make anything linear probably because it wouldn't be interesting to them.

During the training of Haek, I had the feeling that at 12 and at 15 there were "massive" slow downs in training speed. And about getting from 17 to 18 or from 18 to 19... that's hell. 8 weeks are common. This makes a right planning at the beginning for the right training order even more crucial. You can gain a lot of subs and ups or you can lose time which is impossible to regain.

Last edited by Nachtmahr at 4/9/2016 2:48:19 PM

I was reading some old forum posts on trainer effectiveness and in most of them, it was said that an L7 trainer is about 2% more effective than an L6, 4-5% better than an L5 and 8-12% better than an L4. Do you think these numbers are accurate? Just going off these numbers, and assuming that the extra effectiveness is uniform for primary and secondary training, that means for every 100 pops(which is quite a bit), an L7 gives you 2 more pops than an L6 and about 10 more pops than an L4. This seems quite low.

Last edited by Mountaineer at 4/9/2016 3:18:49 PM

I checked Haeks skills now and he is only at 126. So 3 skills lower than I though. There is also my old database of former NT players. There are two guys who were trained with a lv 7 trainer for over 14 seasons. So I compaired their average ups per season with Haeks and the difference is almost 1.5 skill ups. If I take this and put it on my player, than it would be possible for me to get around 140 TSP. That's also the range the two players were (145 tsp).
If you go with a lv 4 and train him for 12 or 14 seasons, you will reach 130 tsp. But to get to 140+ in the same time you need a lv 6 or better lv 7.

Attention: I never trained 1on1, so I think this plays a little role too. But on average a lv 7 will have 1+ ups more per season than a lv 4. and in 14 seasons that's 14 and more ups.

Last edited by Nachtmahr at 4/9/2016 4:02:02 PM