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Mate I understand what you're saying but now imagine there are twice as many people gunning for picks...that's the reality in many leagues filled with humans and in theose leagues if you're in the playoffs it means 10th,12th pick not only behind those who tank but also several others. Individually each manager in a bot league is much better off in the draft.

Then of course I completely agree that you guys effectively get your NT and U21 players from 1 draft per season, while Spain has probably over 100. In the past this situation wasnt so bad because you had probably 5-21 drafts and were able to get enough valuable players as a nation.

I hope they will address this with a flat boost like I proposed earlier: select 2-3 bot drafts at random and allow someone to elect 4-5 players from those drafts to save each season. These players will then hit free agency. This is largely irrelevant for big nations but it may be vital for smaller nations. You can also play with this idea further tbh: instead of revealing the skills of the players maybe allocate a certain amount of scouting points by nation instead and give more to smaller nations (this would be effectively like giving the NT/U21 the ability to draft 4 players to free agency based on a fixed amount of scouting points).

I completely agree with you that micros will disappear without some help for the U21 and NT which is a very important part for a local community in BB.



Last edited by Lemonshine at 3/21/2017 6:09:24 AM

The biggest problem is that some teams will have to wait to know where they are going to play, as you pointed out. But it's not that different from teams who play the third PO game.

Those who are in the relegation are in the bottom half of their league, they know they can demote but it's only 1/4 of the league. Here 3/4 of the managers will be assigned to D2 automatically and with a criteria which is not entirely based on merit....

The goal is to reduce them as much as possible.

Then merge first and select top 16 after and not vice versa.

If you're confident your idea causes less inconvenience open a discussion just for African managers with the different options and see what they think. If you're really looking to reduce damage and annoyance, it seems very reasonable to ask them directly.



Last edited by Lemonshine at 3/21/2017 6:57:12 AM

As I've told you, your idea will mean more coding. You said it was false, but probably because you haven't thought a lot about that.
And about polls, most of the times they are tricky if you don't do them in a good way. This is not so easy as just put some options and let people vote. And I guess that when you run a company or a game like this, you have to choose carefully which decisions should follow this system.
BB's policy hasn't gone for polls a lot, I don't know if they will decide to change this policy in this particular case.

As I've told you, your idea will mean more coding.

Did Marin tell you this? I don't believe the difference is as big as you make it sound. At all. It's just 3 extra leagues and you'd run the calculations about who goes where in S40 only once.

The biggest coding issue should be allocating the nationality to the S40 draftees to be honest not creating 4 leagues instead of 1 and removing 3 of those the following season. When you create one you can also create 4. You will need to move teams manually after that one more time, but that also should be rather easy as Marin has done entire promotion-demotions for many more leagues by hand in the past. If this is so hard to do, then the Utopia effort should be in the Hall of Fame of coding. This is a mini tiny reverse Utopia with one season to adjust things.

It really feels like a cop out from you Foto. Even if it did require a LOT more effort on the devs side, this change will clearly affect enormously those 50 managers in those nations and frankly, if you really cared about ensuring a smooth transition and maximising retention you should do what it takes.


Oh and regarding polls I understand and that's why I changed "poll" to "forum discussion" in my post before you replied. This discussion should be open only to the manager affected by the change (and the asian micronations who are next) and staff members who wish to participate. I'm pretty sure the South Africans and hopefully some more will join the discussion. And if nobody expresses an opinion there, then I will agree with you that nobody cared enough about the change, so I will also support you if you go with the option that requires less effort on your part. Makes sense?

Last edited by Lemonshine at 3/21/2017 7:38:47 AM

I can't deny that small communities managers get an economic advantage but it allows to outweigh some inconveniences not shared by bigger communities (smaller draft pool, NT competitiveness). With this merge, almost all the advantages will be lost while the inconveniences will be kept. Is the aim of this deep change to chase us away? This way we won't bother anyone no more!

I know its not the right place to ask, but its just a simple question, so decided not to open a thread for that. I was wondering about B3 enthusiasm levels. This is my first year participating in it, so I know there is no TIE/CT stuff, but do you get the Enthusiasm you have or is it also on a set level (i.e. lvl 5). To make it more clear, if I up my Enth to lvl 9 i.e. from my league and cup games, shall I have it on that same lvl 9 for my B3 games?

Its set at 12 for BBB games and doesn't change.

Even if it shows me less than that in set lineup?

The display does indeed show your enth as it is now, but when the game is played it will be 12.

Thanks for the info.