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So are you basically saying, in reply to my post, that the Pillory idea is something worth considering, once all other issues and bugs are fixed, and that perhaps there is something positive in this, and if carefully thought through its something that will add value to the game, and will encourage users not to cheat and cheaters to be scared or discarded???

i don't think that this would be the result ;)

i don't think that this would be the result ;)

.....but instead what would be the result??? In your own words??

i don't think that this would be the result ;)

.....but instead what would be the result??? In your own words??

1. people complaining that "obvious" cheaters ained banned(but sometimes it is better to wait a bit to find all teams, and often obvious isn't obvious)

2. People getting on the Pillory for nothing, which isn't a good feeling. Or more of case 1.(the mentioned deconstruction teams for example, or also lazy team without market knowledge who bid a lot to avoid an bidwar)

3. More Cheaters complaining about to harsh punishment, with pointing to other cases where they didn't know all facts.

4. and player try to act in a grey area where the risk is maybe more valuable then the punishment

5. No additional effect of scare for cheater, you already see that GM handling things and i think you don't need names for that.

6. Not really useful informations for user, which lead to lot of missunderstandings. Because pillorys are used most times in online games, where there are temporarely bans, and more direkt fights so that it might be important to know when he comeback to protects your goods.

7. people complaining we don't do anything, because they miss the entrys etc.


Last edited by CrazyEye at 2/11/2011 12:21:38 PM

no worries,written style can always get misunderstood...

so if you say a pillory is not what we need, u reckon the present situation as it stands is fair??

random reports, endless months of investigations, secrecy and in most cases (like myself) users-not showing any particular interest in reporting cheating?

p.s: i only show interest in this particular post cause certain GMs had the courtesy to reply and i appreciate this. But those GMs still are expressing personal-user opinions, Would be nice if any BB could give us their opinion on the subject....

Last edited by nik69 at 2/11/2011 1:05:02 PM

1. people complaining that "obvious" cheaters ained banned(but sometimes it is better to wait a bit to find all teams, and often obvious isn't obvious)

people will always complain, at least that way there will be evidence of those found other than having to "bother" the GMs all the time with questions, or not knowing what has happened, until after several weeks when a team is banned

2. People getting on the Pillory for nothing, which isn't a good feeling. Or more of case 1.(the mentioned deconstruction teams for example, or also lazy team without market knowledge who bid a lot to avoid an bidwar)

Not really an issue, getting on Pillory for nothing, you obvisouly refer to fine/adjustment, better feeling than not knowing what is happening with reported teams. At the end of the day, if someone has not done anything wrong, being on pillory with excuse next to them, transfer adjustment, is not really just a big deal

3. More Cheaters complaining about to harsh punishment, with pointing to other cases where they didn't know all facts.

That already happens, and current policy would apply, that GMs decisions are not to be discussed, hence you can just ignore those cheaters.

4 and player try to act in a grey area where the risk is maybe more valuable then the punishment

not sure i follow that point, can you please elaborate further?? thanks

5. No additional effect of scare for cheater, you already see that GM handling things and i think you don't need names for that.

exactly the point though, YOU DONT SEE GM HANDLING THINGS....you expect that he does, but no proof, but with pillory its exactly that you see things being handled. So not really an argument against Pillory, quite the contrary.

6. Not really useful informations for user, which lead to lot of missunderstandings. Because pillorys are used most times in online games, where there are temporarely bans, and more direkt fights so that it might be important to know when he comeback to protects your goods.

Yes, I agree that Pillory more relevant in those games, and more direct impact in those "live" games, but surely if you present more information that leads to less misunderstandings, its normally the other way round, less knowledge, secrecy and lack of information that leads to misunderstandings.

7. people complaining we don't do anything, because they miss the entrys etc.

People complain now, and chase the GMs all the time, cause there is no entry whatsoever, so the only way to find out is by contacting GMs all the time. While with Pillory you can refer them to the list/entry and make life easier for you guys.


thanks

Opinion by BB are rare if not never on the Suggestion Forums and I think you'll agree with me, today is not the right day for a BB to participate on such a topic.

totally agree......:)

I was personally asking for BB views, just as a more educated reference point! And with more inside information of how game should be run....

"endless months of investigations"

Today, I saw a report at 15h30. I finished it at 15h55. If nothing visible like a ban happens after month, it's because the decision was different than a ban: fine or nothing because nothing was relevant. There is no investigations lasting for months.

you are wrong....several greek teams where banned am not sure about the number and it took more than 2 months, just before Christmass...

If you have no interest in reporting cheating, that's your problem (and well also a little for the others). It indicates that the presence of the cheaters do not disturb you, it's just the fact that you will not know exactly when and what will be the fine that disturb you.

this is a slight twist on my saying....Am not interest in one-way communications. i dont want just to fill some lines about something that upset me and then as U said....live in the dark :)))
personally if i could see that cheaters were punished (see , not read that 129 teams were banned etc) then i would consider paying more attention to the game and report cheating

Opinion by BB are rare if not never on the Suggestion Forums and I think you'll agree with me, today is not the right day for a BB to participate on such a topic.

i respect that, today especially? i hope i havent missed something about today... :)))

People keep saying that we don't know what's happening but the number of cheaters caught is constantly updated in the 'Report cheaters' link, I mean constantly and better than the training update *cough* check it from time to time, check it every hour or so and see.

Of the few times I have reported cheating, they were blatant cases dealt with within hours. I can tell it from the last log-in date.

It's simply a matter of trust if you don't want to acknowledge we know what's happening.

I don't think victimization is the step to take, especially in the case of fines. As long as cheating is prevented, there is no need to ostracize users. At the end of the day, it's only a game.
I don't see a lot of complaints about cheating in the game and I don't personnally think cheating is a problem on BB unlike other online games.
Cheating is a main issue on online games and BB already does a very good job to prevent it.
I can't see why a list of anonymous aliases will help prevent cheating, I only see awkward and bitter things coming out from it.

I probably shouldn't say that but Perpete is a cheaters hunter legend. I speculate he was bullied by cheaters in kindergarten and is relentlessly seeking revenge ever since. You have never seen his layouts with mother teams, subsidiairies and arrows everywhere. He's mad :)
Don't underestimate his skills, you are not going to teach him what's cheating and what is not. On this matter, whatever he says I'd trust him.