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It's the main reason why they are favored to train not the reason to why they are cheaper. They being cheaper is because they are favored for training.

The potential puts an extra pressure on guards now, because the cap is a sum of all the skills. Thats where the 6 skills vs 4 skills comes knocking on the door. :)

Now i'm hearing that there's a point total sort of way of calculating potential? Am i right in interpreting that if you had atrocious skills in one area, that would leave more room (or more 'points') open for another skill to be higher than normal instead?

That is correct, if i read the first two posts of the topic.

edited: double post

Last edited by DireWolf at 5/11/2008 9:50:40 PM

In season 3, my starting shooting guard was the league MVP with exactly 0 assists for the season.

Well the decisions we make as managers is based on our own research and knowledge so I prefer to judge and award the MVP's myself instead of a computer programme... so I have just learnt to accept that its unlikely I will agree with the selection and feel confident that my guys are actually better than the positions (yes I did get a guy feature this season!) than they are suggested to be.

a large point that is missing from this discussion is that ratings are relative things...

so if you are training a guard in 5 areas, versus a center in 3 .. or whatever the difference, i'll agree the guard is going to have lower skills... but you can't compaire strong passing to strong inside shot.. because strong passing is compared against strong outside defense.. etc etc.

just because a center's absolute skill level is higher doesn't mean he will play better.. because playing better means matching up favorably against your opponent, and if your opponents average center also has higher ratings than its not really "higher" in terms of performance.

I think this is a good thing, because its a way for intelligent an observant players to take advantage of mistakes that less observant players might make. An observant player will note that guards on average have to have lower skills and thus will normalize their value correctly. In the end that sort of calculation is what the game is about... looking at options in terms of personnel moves, and having some model in your head about how those potential moves are going to affect your team. Those people with better model's are gonna do better.

The game should also be enjoyable on a much lower less sophisticated level, and we hope to strike a balance that lets that happen.. but it seems those most vocal in this thread are thinking about the more in depth issues.

No that is all understood and the basis for the arguments in this thread and the training options thread.

The most vocal managers are often the ones that think very deeply about how to continously improve and optimize their wages/performance/training etc

I guess also we are questioning ourselves (whilst trying to get some affirmative response) from you (BB's) to see if our deep thinking is actually going in the right direction.. (as the deeper you go offsite the more difficult it is to get back on track!)

I have a picture as to a) how I want my team to play and b) what players I need to buy/build to execute that plan.

Rightly or wrongly this involves me wanting to know more about potential (as we all do) and I want to know if and if so when we can be allowed more creative freedom with the training of our players.

Now if Im wrong in my approach to training or players that fit the mold of an 'ideal' team then I will slowly fall back in progress terms... i just want the ability to keep trying to inch ahead over my peers with correct decisions.

Last edited by Superfly Guy at 5/11/2008 10:33:45 PM

I don't see why you have to be penalized for having an all 'round player though. It's like there's been a sudden flip on the whole "well balanced" thing and BBs have decided the focus should now be on specialised players only.

If this is correct, it's a big step backwards in my opinion.

i'm confused... how does the potential system penalize all around players?

the game engine hasnt' changed.. so single skill players are going to be just an ineffective as they were before.

Well from what i've read here (and as i've said, please correct me if i'm wrong) but it seems like the potential system is designed as a salary cap sort of system instead of a skills cap system.

For example, a 'starter' might be able to get to 10k salary and with those skills you could either go for a few main skills and mostly bad skills or go for an all 'round player that doesn't really have any weaknesses but one that isn't really strong in any fields either.

A Center player with prolific IS/ID/Reb is going to perform better than a Center with respectable IS/ID/Reb/SB/Handling/Passing/OD for example and so the well rounded player is penalised for working on his complete game instead of a specialised skillset.
Granted, the well rounded player in this example will suffer fewer turnovers and a couple of things like that but overall the specialised center will perform better.

Again, if my interpretation of this potential system is incorrect then i'm more than happy to be corrected or if there's something else i'm missing then please let me know but otherwise .....i'm a bit skeptical of the new potential system at the moment.

I really don't understand the point of this post, but the MVP from season 3 was indeed the best player in the league that season. I agree completely that a player's listed position is unimportant, if that is what the second part of your post meant.

Another thing about having players without any super high level skills ( prolific and above) but a quantity of average skills (respectable - prominent) is their salaries are lower.

The last thing is that most of the time it appears the "most vocal" managers are the ones that are complaining and/or want to be spoon fed information.