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yeah,exactly:toss a coin and chose your defence :P
I know the game you were talking about,I saw them in our national forum,I agrre what you said about zones,but there is a question that you have to consider:If they help the my player who have a bad mismatch in defense(basically the SF),this player have to defend on another of the guards for 3-2/big man for 2-3...the problem is that Sf obviously is a not specialized player,so when my Sf had to defend againt the Sg of my adversary,who often is stronger in outside shooting than adversary Sf,I have some problems in defence
And in many of this game users shout about the superiority of attack on defence,when a considerable part of their shots were taken by players which for their rolehaven't a great weight on valutations,but take a great amount of the shots,and their percentages were very very low:the first example that comes me to mind was the look inside where guards missed a lot of shots and that compensated the advantages take by the choice of the wrong defence made by the adversary

Ok, that was revealing.

So, we have been focus the issue badly. We have been discussing a lot on zone defenses but we have never touched a fundamental issue: The players.

Now I'm starting to think that secondary skills where more important than I initially thought. And is not like they were unimportant...

I think one of the problems here is that many managers have been developing players who are more specialized than really makes sense for basketball

Some managers have. Many managers have been developing players based on the confines of training system. Not sure if i'd blame the users for playing the cards they've been dealt.

if you match him up against a center who has only been trained in inside defense, he's going to go off from outside.

Training centers at PG/SG is very difficult (or, guards at pf/c). You have two choices:

1 - Train PG/SG with actual guards, attempt to win games and enjoy the match playing experience, get financial rewards from succeeding on the court, etc.

2 - Train a pf/c at guard, concede games and miss the match playing experience, lose money and fall behind off the court, watch as your big players train much slower then the rest. Even then, sometimes your coach will simply take your pf/c you are attempting to train and take them off the court, no matter how explicitly you work to remove that as an occurrence.

This is supposed to be a game, supposed to be fun. It's no wonder so few choose the 2nd option, esp as the GE has until now failed to provide any reward.

you can train your pf/c with the option of forwards right? JS at least.

I'd say Outside shooting isn't necessary since they don;t have to shoot from THAT far and the JS trains it as well.

I see you are trying to say it's not easy. But it's not as extremely impossible as you put it and I for one see it as a challenge that it isn't as easy as just choosing a position and the skill they will train in.

But are not requested great levels at secondary skills,maybe this is not clear
for example,a center with inept/mediocre in Od,handling, passing,JS yet have decent skill for a center,and is not very difficult to find a player with two or three at least of these skills at that level(JS was trained as secondary of IS also)

you can train your pf/c with the option of forwards right? JS at least.

Driving and jump shot, IIRC. Charles mentioned defense, which you can't train without playing you're players out of position.

But it's not as extremely impossible as you put it

I didn't say its extremely impossible. It's difficult enough that it's extremely difficult to do successfully while attempting win (unless, of course, your much stronger then everyone else in your division).

But are not requested great levels at secondary skills,maybe this is not clear

If you get a player that has crappy secondary (or, off-position skill), which now matter much more in the new GE, then it does matter.

I'm all for players being cross-trained and built up to a balanced level of skills. I think it's funny that training system is the biggest hurdle to that goal.

Last edited by brian at 8/6/2009 3:07:57 PM

you can train your pf/c with the option of forwards right? JS at least.

Driving and jump shot, IIRC. Charles mentioned defense, which you can't train without playing you're players out of position.

But it's not as extremely impossible as you put it

I didn't say its extremely impossible. It's difficult enough that it's extremely difficult to do successfully while attempting win (unless, of course, your much stronger then everyone else in your division).

About the defense part. I see you are correct there. The option to train forwards in OD as well would be an improvement.

I stand corrected.

How many times do you think your centerr will defend against an adversary guard?Surely you canno think that an equilibrate player could beat an old-thinking player in his home filed,but "all black" players will be penalized,as is in reality

I didn't say its extremely impossible. It's difficult enough that it's extremely difficult to do successfully while attempting win (unless, of course, your much stronger then everyone else in your division).
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​About the defense part. I see you are correct there. The option to train forwards in OD as well would be an improvement.
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​I stand corrected.

And that's why I always train my future inside folks in outside skills first (along with some guards, then I switch and train them inside, while giving my guards some inside focus. But I train 3 main SF's (1 for selling short term, 1 for selling long term and one for myself), 1 PF/C, 1 PG/SG and some spare minutes for the ones I want to keep for a while. I foresee that eventually there will be a lot of SG's, SF's and PF's per definition and scarcely any C's and PG's in the game if we need very balanced players.

I build my team with an army of SF's with the most versatile SF's as SF's, the SF's with stronger inside at PF/C and the ones leaning more on the outside at PG/SG. Of course this make me weaker before I reach the desired level as it takes longer to train versatile players, and then it would last some 4-5 seasons before I am weak again while building younger players again. Unfortunately there are not many versatile players on the market, and I don't think most people want to pay the price, therefore fielding players with ONLY the skills that have the highest priority in each position, forgetting that you need some of the others as well. I am excited to see how things evolve from here.