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What tax are you talking about, paying tax? WT? seriously we are talking about BB and you are talking about taxes. You mean TL fees???? TL fees are same for everyone. What taxes are you talking about?

i am talking about that earning money isn't just the money you get, it is also the money you have to spend there fore i believed i could take a Rl live example.

Yes they can get more enthusiasm, that is a good point for a BB3 argument, however it is a problem with the current BB3 format. So are you just arguing again against any international tournement whatsoever?

No i am arguing, against those random competion tourney you want to have, who screw up the main(league) competion, when they ain't all in the same cup: as i said easier competion more TIE, more games(more income) because a single step mean the difference betwen being a top team or a team who most likily lose the first round.

People in larger countries have a greater revenue potential, smaller countries can never earn that same revenue. How much you spend is a mute point, revenue is revenue. So maybe you have higher price money in a better cup, but you get less from it ;)

yeah and i am talking about income ;) And the 80k more income through TV(max) is just helpful, when you give up the whole season.

International tourneys which A KICK BACK MONEY based on team quality B match teams up competitively across the bored (not pitting us against bots) improve the unfair conditions of both of these factors, BOTH of them.

yeah but they won't be fair eather, the national cups are fair because it is the same for the competion you face. All nippon team play in the Nippon cup right? But when you devide the teams in different cup, and you can not put every teams of a league level in your cup with your model, it is becoming unfair. because when you have a likely hood, of playing just 1-2 round in comparision to be a top team 5 rounds, the salary in this competion must be double that high to result in the price money you want - and don't forget a tie is money to because you get better performance with cheaper roster.

It is like the merchandise money, you could see 10k more revenue but it isn't an advantage when you have to pay 50k more salary for getting it ;) Overall you lose 40k while archieving this target.


Last edited by CrazyEye at 1/6/2011 10:04:21 AM

Every single statment and argument you have offered (which is intelligible, the tax thing still makes no sense whotsever) is against international tourneys of any kind.

the tax thing was still an argument just for you, for the side discussion that you can not earn that much and that teams out of the big country get richer and richer just because we have some cup rounds more which makes us in your eyes richer and richer so that u cann't catch up.

And yes i am pro staying with the national cup because you could also make bridges inside a country(i know very few managers in ger), and this connections are more valuable for me. Also it let the competion be fair inside the country, and at least there is also a rivalry betwen the leagues in our country during the national cup(like which third league has the most guys left, or the II:1 has more then our premier division). Also i like it because the community are intrested in the same cup, so that it is much easier to follow. And when we get 50 internatinal cups, i doubt that will intrest people maybe only when you come to a "cup" forum and most guys there speak fluid english. Thats my pro list, for keeping the national cup and additional arcade like international Cup is possible but it should have intuitive rules who to join, or just a very slight till none impact on the rest of the game.

If teams are placed in the tourney's based on their abitlity, ranking or place in their country then they would not be in tourneys of a different qualty when in teh same league. If you are in a league of 16 teams then I would hope those 16 teams are within 500~1000 relative ranks, and that any tourney placements you recieved (domestic or otherwise) woudl be of a similar level of skill of teams.

when you are in a nearly full 4 division, you had over 1000 teams which is hard to put in a single cup with 500 teams and especially internation you won't have a german row, and spanish row they would be mixed too. In 5 divisins the disparity is even bigger. Yeah the same tournament for all first division could work(would be even a meaningful crown). Maybe even a international championship for all second league teams, where everybody from the same country land in the same draw.

But after this you had to split, and when you split after quality and not after league and country, it gonna get unfair in my eyes.

BTW in Japan it aint fair if you in II.1 or JBBL then you play competitive games regular season but if you relegate to II.2~4 you could TIE all your games and put 100% effort into the CUP. IF JBBL team does that then they will be facing demotion

but also here you could tell me a about apples and orange, also here it don't get fairer when they play international ;) In a national cup at least the prices, and the luck of the draw is the same for everyone.

ut then again our weekly revenue will be much much less so we'll have trouble paying the same quality of roster

as i said, the only thing which depends on competion of the income is the tv income ;) The rest is based by the league level(div I is div I), your succes, your quality of roster and the succes of your opponent(amount of wins in the last games).

For you in your country the lower division teams don7t like your national tourney I bet, just you top league guys. . They fight tooth and nail to get up leagues, to have the revenue to pay the kinda guys you can pay so when they face you in your tourney they have just as little enthusiasm and are also massively outsalaried.

Honestly i need my top players, for the league and in good shape and maybe getting an extra TIE. I get kicked out very often from low level teams, because i can not out salary then without spending 250k for a third lineup to get an extra money o 50k(higher paid rounds are even rares to achieve).

Seriously I think those top teams in the B3 would be happy to miss the national tourney to focus on trying to be the best in teh world, and at a higher potential reward, and those rest of the teams in their country would be glad to have them out the national tourney so they could go after THEIR B3 ticket

i like the BBB because it is not only about arrangement minutes to achieve the main target(with would be league in the most cases because it gives the most rewards), and that the team play their best rosters there and not like in the cup or many away games a cheap second lineup to stay competive for the "win able" games.

I want to repeat here the suggestion I stated in the Global forum

An idea could be make an arcade mode tournament,without money prizes and injuries(as like NT games and PL) among the teams that don't qualify in B3,and the champion of this torunament will earn a spot for the next season's B3.

You can have the large international competition that many people desire,without all the questions related to the different level of the various teams,the walkover,the economy,and so on,with a great final prize that make the difference with the PL and encourage people to take these games seriously

So if you are 5 rounds deep in a cup and earning extra revenue from it then some guy who lost in the first round is gonna have an advantage league wise since they only scrimmage on Thursdays. This is THE SAME whether tourneys are national or international.

Every team in teh GAME would subject to the same draw system, so if you are saying its fair to have the same odds in the national draws which I point out aren't always fair... then dude they would be fair in an international draw by your logic.

on national cup u have the same chanches with the draw, in an international with your modell not when you play different cup then your league mates. This could even encourage people to play lower cup, because of more rounds, more income and more tie. Yeah maybe even this team get kicked out, but the prohability for this is different.

Everything you have now offered as a reason not to do international tourneys is a reason not even to do national tourneys

so fair draw is since u got the same rohability and income is fixed, ok but maybe didn't count for u. International tourney everyone speaks german and japanese dream on ;) U are really the best of a fixed group, i though country was one. Ranked from X to Y isnÄt it really, and would get lost in several tournament(if i win german cup i could say i am german cup winner, and most german would realise it. If you make a cup for third league only it is also something which is a fixed competion, and more or less random draw by rating without a working community around it i would miss that especially because the most including me don't understand the ranking system).

Last edited by CrazyEye at 1/6/2011 10:55:36 PM