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244618.56 in reply to 244618.53
Date: 8/20/2013 3:33:13 AM
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In small NT, there is a lot of players who are affordable by D2 or even D3. There would be possibly NT not capable to field a team if they can't pick players in D2 or D3.

This is very easibly avoidable by setting a threshold of users where this rule doesn't apply. Say, 100 users. This means in countries with 100 or less users the NT rule wouldn't apply. Big countries are the ones that are problematic.

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Date: 8/20/2013 4:37:21 AM
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So you would allow a Jamaican 250k-C in German Div.4? This would make those players instantly very valuable ;)

Or would only Jamaican managers be able to have a Jamaican 250k-C in Div.3? Oh, there is no Div. 3 in Jamaica...

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244618.58 in reply to 244618.57
Date: 8/20/2013 4:59:55 AM
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The other rule that I suggested and people generally agree with it is a team cannot buy a player with salary greater than 2xTV revenue. But even without that rule, I'm ok with Jamaican 250k center in Div.4 as those "anomalies" would be very rare.

With my suggestoin I'm trying to prevent farming (let's say 30% of NT players are playing in farms) and you are throwing back an example that would happen once on 1000 players?

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244618.59 in reply to 244618.58
Date: 8/20/2013 5:18:32 AM
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I don't agree with your first rule neither with the second. I only try to show you where there are some loopholes and imbalances with your suggestions.

30% of NT players being farmed? Really a wild guess. Is there any proof for that? Or are those on cheating farms a case of 1 in 1000?

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Date: 8/20/2013 5:33:55 AM
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Those two rules would prevent NT players from being in D.IV or D.III unless those teams have been training them for longer period of time.

There are legal farms and illegal farms. I think neither belongs in NT. 30% is just a wild guess. Could be 15, 20...noone knows for sure. But as Wolph already said, nobody can compete in training a NT player with farms who don't care if they lose a bunch of games because they play PF on PG position. I'm training my SF and PF on PG and C position the whole season, and it's very tough + I have to make a lot of sacrifices, especially financially. When I see my players have to compete against perfectly trained SFs and PFs from D.IV, it makes me wonder whether it makes sense to train NT players at all.

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244618.61 in reply to 244618.60
Date: 8/21/2013 2:05:36 AM
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I'd like to have a crunch time lineup setting, so that you can put X players in there for the crunch time, like no matter what, you see in games they get the 3 pt specialist out there and jack up threes, why can't we get the option to do that as well?

Ima use my team as an example. I'm down 5 with less then 1 minute left in the game, coach takes a timeout. So then if I were the coach I'd put some three point shooters in (Bongiovanni, Liontos, Pold, Mingjie, Scarborough) Scarborough would be the rebounder, and in the settings, you can put a little table

+=shoot -=pass

+++~if only you see a very open shot and its not above 10 left
etc. This kinda fits into Apaches suggestion but this is for when your down/when your up by little. Would give a little twist to the game knowing you see 3 pt shooters in there or FT guys. Just something to throw around.

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244618.62 in reply to 244618.52
Date: 8/21/2013 10:23:14 AM
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Fix NT please. I know not many people are involved in NT if you compare it to the whole BB community, but this shouldn't be the reason to not intervene. A NT player playing in D.V doesn't make any sense unless he drafted him or bought him as a 18/19y old and trained him up himself. I'd make a few suggestions:

- only D.I players are eligible for NT. Exceptions: players who were with their team at least three seasons (this doesn't kill farming, but it cripples it. At the same time, it doesn't punish "fair" farms with their homegrown players).


I think it will hurt even more smaller nations. Check how many nt players (>21) plays in D1/D2 for TOP10 countries. Best countries have multiskilled players in roster. No one would let such a player leave his team, unless you pay well. It means only top divisions teams can buy them. On the other hand, we have nations, which still play s with monoskilled players, which are cheap (transfer price) and expensive at the same time (salary). Small transfer price allowes D3-D5 teams buy them for few weeks.

Be honest, what's the advantage for BB community coming from your suggestion?

I'd prefer to see change in time, which must elapse between transfers (f.e. 1 month?)

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244618.63 in reply to 244618.62
Date: 8/22/2013 2:56:11 AM
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Sorry I didn't clarify. I'm talking about NT only; U21 is excluded. For small countries (less than 100 users for example) this rule wouldn't apply.

Be honest, what's the advantage for BB community coming from your suggestion?

Farm teams in D.IV and D.III who buy a domestic NT player only to sustain his salary and game shape and don't have any competitive aspirations would cease to exist. Does it make sense to you that some of the best players are playing in D.IV?

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244618.64 in reply to 244618.63
Date: 8/22/2013 8:43:35 AM
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Farm teams in D.IV and D.III who buy a domestic NT player only to sustain his salary and game shape and don't have any competitive aspirations would cease to exist. Does it make sense to you that some of the best players are playing in D.IV?

I told you to check top10 countries. I did it for you. Out of 172 players only 11 of them comes from teams from DIII or lower. 7 out of 11 plays in Espana and Ukraina NT (4 - Espana, 3 - Ukraina). Interesting fact is, Australian and Chilean NT are based on players, which comes from domestic top division teams. So tell me again, whether these 11 players are a big problem for BB?

Last edited by Pewu at 8/22/2013 8:43:50 AM

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244618.65 in reply to 244618.64
Date: 8/22/2013 8:52:03 AM
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Thanks for checking up, I guess you did a lot of clicking! Those are really small numbers. It would be interesting to see though the stops for each of those 172 players - if they ever played in D.IV or D.III after they joined their NT. Of course that's a lot of work to do...maybe I'll check up a few when I have time.

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244618.66 in reply to 244618.65
Date: 8/22/2013 9:00:27 AM
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I guess most of them started from lower divisions. Someone should draft them ;) There is less probability to have better draftee in D1 than D2 and etc. Probably most of them get few seasons of training in lower division and later they got transfered to bigger club. But you can't say those teams are farms. Many of them trains, because they want to sell player for some money or see their draftee playing for u21 and then sell. It's all about goals. Even DIII team can handle NT player salary. Only Espana have players coming from DIV (2 players).

So, if you read one more time about Wolphs statistics (especially about farms), you should know all of them are made up by him ;)

Last edited by Pewu at 8/22/2013 9:02:09 AM

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