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It's sound irresponsible that managers pays more for 18yo 5k draftee than 26yo 100k player.

If buyer is bidding on a player from his own country, I can understand him.

He wants to develop the player for his U21 and later NT. If this player will have 200k salary at age of 24, he will be getting around 30-40k merchandise on him alone (if he's a NT player of course). So he has a 160k player, giving him the output of 200k player, so he is saving 40k/week. Let's say his NT is playing 9 weeks/season, so he gets 360k/season back.

Now 1,5M doesn't look that awful now, does it?

And if the buyer is bidding on a player from another country (let's say USA manager, Italian player) and develops him into a great NT player, he will get a lot of money for him from Italians.

If hebuys him for 1.5M and then screws up the player's training, then THAT'S awful.

Calculations seems right, but in my country there are a lot >1M draftee transactions. I could say that just few reach level of 150k salary. Even more, only up to 10 can make national team. It means my player in polish NT can play only with stron or proficient game shape. If i have tough week including cup game, then my player will drop in stamina and I'll have less merchandise income.

I could say that just few reach level of 150k salary. Even more, only up to 10 can make national team.

I think it's really easy to train a great NT player who you bought for 1M or less. It's just a matter of being patient, working with the player every week and waiting until he's ready (~26 years for SF, other positions ~24). And following NT coach's advice of course.

I guess a lot of people try that, but get suffocated in their player's salary and sell it to someone who doesn't train the player anymore. Or they quit the game. So IMO, in order to develop great NT player you don't have to be overly clever or experienced in BB - you just have to be persistent. Even my girlfriend can raise a great NT player. I mean, U21 coach can tell her every week what to do and that's it (and before you think of replying with some sexual remarks, please be sure to check up on who is current U21 manager of our country, haha)

Last edited by Koperboy at 5/25/2012 6:38:49 AM

You are right, patience is really important in training. Moreover you need some extra money to pay him salary, when he reaches >150k especially in Div.3-5. However I still say 1M for 18 yo players is overpriced. You need time to make him really good, but at the same time on the market you can find your future player for almost same price (if you include trainer wage, worse arena income etc.).

However I still say 1M for 18 yo players is overpriced.

There is something interesting with this statement...

If I recall correctly, before free angets started flooding the market, 18y olds were very expensive, haven't they? I mean, I remember two teams with L7 trainers bidding on a trainee for over 3 or even 4M.

Now you have a lot of quality trainees as free agents who bring more training with them that the BB community can handle (as per Wolph and last season I finally understood what he was talking about).

So did the value of 18y olds dropped because there are lots of quality super-trained 20 and 21y old free agents around or because the prices of 150k plus players dropped? Because you would like your 18y old to become that 150k player once...but if you can buy 150k HoF or 18y HoF for the same price, which one do you choose?

I guess it's a little bit of both.

If I recall correctly, before free angets started flooding the market, 18y olds were very expensive, haven't they? I mean, I remember two teams with L7 trainers bidding on a trainee for over 3 or even 4M.

Some players were sold for over 3M this season, so nothing changed here. First of all, we can 150k player are not replaced with 20 and 21 FA. There is small correlation between them how much they cost. Prices didn't drop just like that. There are many factors which affect that. Price is only a result. And I wouldn't say that prices of 18y olds have dropped. I didn't see on the market.

Because you would like your 18y old to become that 150k player once...but if you can buy 150k HoF or 18y HoF for the same price, which one do you choose?

I guess it's a little bit of both.

I'll choose 150k HoF (he don't need such a potential, after those seasons of training, because I'll train him only ST and FT). I'll save my time.

He wants to develop the player for his U21 and later NT. If this player will have 200k salary at age of 24, he will be getting around 30-40k merchandise on him alone (if he's a NT player of course). So he has a 160k player, giving him the output of 200k player, so he is saving 40k/week. Let's say his NT is playing 9 weeks/season, so he gets 360k/season back.

I don't disagree with the premise, and I think it's definitely preferable in many cases to create your own player rather than buy one. But I'm not sure I follow the math on this one - what really needs to be looked at is how much difference is earned by following the plan of training this player rather than buying the equivalent finished player. If you get 40k merchandise from the guy you trained, vs. 30k from buying an assembly-line created guy, the net gain is really only 10k and throws the calculations in a new direction.

I don't see what this fuss is about. What is your solution?
Drop free agents? The problem with your proposal is the fact that if the free agents get canned. We go back to the old system. Where top players were going for 15mil (currently they still go for 3-5mil). So you train a guy to that level. Do you sell him? Cash in that 15mil? For what? You can't buy anything anyway on the market, as the market is dead again. We need a method to remove excess money from the system. FA are the ones that do it. Currently as we have gotten close to equilibrium, there are less and less teams with available/usable salary cap/funds. This already lowers the market prices. So with cup money help, top tier teams (in a big country) might save a mil in a season. That's not even sufficent for one decent divI level player. You want the prices to go back up. So when that one great guy comes along, everyone wants to buy him, one team get's to spend his 15 seasons of earning, the transfer is done and the other teams go into waiting mode again.
Yes training is not really profitable atm (if you train to sell). You can still benefit from your trainees play. You have to remember though, that you do not have to start the training at 18yo. Buy a decent player for your team and add some skills to him. Just like with drafting, if everyone is spending money on draft, you will lose out on the investment you made through scouting. How many teams are there that do not train atm. Everyone is training something to add skills to their players. With economy so close to the equilibrium, there just can't be "superstar" transfer fees. If people start to train GS, training will soon get profitable again.
It's pretty funny how you complain about current training system, when you can afford a lvl7 trainer. Lvl7 trainer has ALWAYS been a nonprofit operation. Expecting to make money while spending mil on trainer and a few mil on trainees is just dumb tbh. Saw a 3mil+ trainee transfer at the start of this season. There is no way you can make profit with that transfer. Training should be mostly for your own team (currently it is) and not about eyeing big profits on the transfer market.

I didn't read all the previous posts, my 2 cents here.

I was always against this random system in the draft, now more than before if this is possible...
The market is alive only for one single kind of player, today two 22 yo potential lvl 7 (so not the best one) have been sold for more than 2 millions, I'm not able to sell my ex China NT player for lower money and I sold one of the best playmaker with not so high salary for lower money. For me this is ok but I wonder how the teams in the lower divisions can reach the top level if there is only one way of profitable training.

trainers are so cheap cause of farm teams. Which tries to make players for u-21 and/or NT. So it should be the best solution to remove nt teams to prevent farm teams. Cause they overflood market with cheap and good prospects at age 21-22.