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I see a fairly direct relation between the number of users in a country and the relative strength of its teams. For example, the newest promoted team in Japan d.1 has an average salary of $5000. The newest promoted team in Italy d.1 has an average salary of over $30,000. Not that average salary is the best or only method of defining quality, but it is a start and the suggested method in the game rules for determining which players should play.

I think the reason for this change is to help the better teams from bigger countries compete with the better teams from countries with little or no competition. Because a country has one or two or four good teams doesn't mean it should have a similar revenue stream as a country with 50 or 60 or 100 good teams.

There are today 36 active teams in Thailand and 36 in Japan. There is no doubt in my mind that if we took the top 8 from Thailand and Top 8 from Japan that you guys wouldnt have a representative in the Top4. I also think our closing pack would spring a few surprises.

There is I'm led to believe a hidden ranking stat which I guess could be used or do you think both our countries negotiate the same media deal?

I naturally hope that the monies received are in line with a global picture & my future income is not similar or linked with those that have managed their team with only a domestic outlook in mind.

My point was not whether Japan could beat Thailand mano a mano or which league has the four best teams or how much testosterone I have pumping through my body. My point was that a league is 16 teams and must be measured as such. And that I see a fairly straight correlation between country size and League 1 quality. From BB-stats.org I averaged the team ratings of a few D.1 leagues around the world.

Japan- 7.02
Thailand- 6.23
Brazil- 8.8
Hanguk- 5.6
England- 8.14
Italy- 9.05

By this admittedly simple analysis Japan and Thailand are certainly more similar than Japan and England or Japan and Brazil.

And surely tv revenue should be tied to a "domestic outlook." Where you will be able to make your money (aside from daytrading) will be with merchandise sales from all your NT players and superstars. And selling out your arena for high prices.

Last edited by somdetsfinest at 6/4/2009 7:30:27 AM

but you have to see also, that with very low competition the international competition could become more intresting and for this it isn't funny when you have weaker income due the work of the other teams in your league even if you are doing as fine as your opponents.

ok lets look at it in another way.

I cant talk basketball as i have no idea about the game :D

Football.

The relative strength of the Premier League/La Liga/Seria A is pretty similar... arguably higher in the PL cos they have the most money and own their stadiums as opposed to renting them from the government.(which some Spanish/Italian clubs do)

Japans J-League is toilet. No-one here could even grace the field of a Premier league side. So, in this example the TV rights would be poor (and understandably low) for the J-League (in BB terms) vs the money flooding into the Premier League/La Liga/Seria A etc.

But in BB there are many teams operating in J-League style quality divisions but capable of holding their own in Premier Leagues....

If the BB stats you have shared do indeed show the strengths of 1 nation vs another irrespective of users then I hope that this is the minimum yardstick used to determine the TV payouts.

I don't think contracts will be negotiated per country but per league. I am a big Newcastle fan and next season they will be in the Championship where, among other things, their TV revenue will be much lower. It will still be substantially more than the MSL tv revenue though.

What you would like is a world league. Perhaps teams that win their division 1 should be able to opt into a champions league with higher rewards and higher risks.

The stats I shared are from bb-stats.org. They are not reflections of a nation. They are the average player ratings for all teams in that country's top division. Yours was 10.21. Mine was 9.45. You can check them out for yourself at

(http://www.bb-stats.org/league.php5?league=1962&seaso...)

thanks for the link... will go and take a look!!

and i wonder why im never in contention for an MVP :D

i dont seem to feature much on the Points/Rebounds leaderboard.. 2 of the guys that are there are now sold!!

Last edited by Superfly Guy at 6/4/2009 9:16:21 AM

"....But in BB there are many teams operating in J-League style quality divisions but capable of holding their own in Premier Leagues...."

So, what you want is a cap so that teams from small nations can´t be as good as top teams from larger nations?

"....But in BB there are many teams operating in J-League style quality divisions but capable of holding their own in Premier Leagues...."

So, what you want is a cap so that teams from small nations can´t be as good as top teams from larger nations?

ha...now why would I be for a proposal like this??!!!

Ah, i seem to have confused things a bit.

I´ll make a note to stop making a fool out of myself on the international forums.
I´m not saying i´ll make it, just that i´ll try.

Anyway, i am a little concerned about how this all plays out....

I´ll make a note to stop making a fool out of myself on the international forums.

I wouldnt worry... ive been doing that since season 3.... :D

I´ll make a note to stop making a fool out of myself on the international forums.

I wouldnt worry... ive been doing that since season 3....

I've also been doing it, but only since season 4. Or was it 5? Either way, what I think is the essence of both you and 23larsens (and mine) is that we worry that we may lose the teoretic chance of keeping up (or in my case, catching up) with the big teams from big countries, IF we assume right in that the TV contract and merchandising is to be based somehow on the size of the country. Would that be correct?

Since none of us had the chance to choose country (very good for building a strong community) I think BB should emphasis fair possibilities wherever you come from. This would not be the case if they cap the top one may reach in a country. They could however make it harder to reach the top. Perhaps a bigger gap between divisions is not such a bad thing?

Another thing is the arena. I have been building like a madman since I started. Every time I had spare money I built a little, only buying new players when I sold old ones. So I have used almost all my revenue income on arena. This have undoubtedly prevented me to promote, but I would rather promote with a chance of staying there instead of beeing demoted and having to sell newly aquired players because of empty stadiums. So this long time strategy were founded upon other premises than this seasons tweak foretells. Some mentioned that it would be unfair if people got the chance to downsize. I would find it gravely unfair if I didn't, and a little unfair anyway. But understand that some things got to be done by the BB's and since I can't think of a better way to do it, I therefore accept it as the best option concidering that I would have chose otherwise had it been this way all the time.

Last edited by Svett Sleik (U21-Scout Norge) at 6/4/2009 3:23:41 PM