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well try not to be a patronising prat, and we'll be fine.

To be blunt, I think you're blinded by Sands-Pierson's HoF potential. He has too many faults to be an NT PF, With a LOT of passing he might make a back up C for Motion tactics but really the ship has already sailed for S-P and I questionw hether anything can really be made of him.

if you really did spend some time in scouting the NT and potential prospects, than you should know that we dont have alot better than sands pearson. (i am not saying you didnt spend time before you misread my sentence again)

if we can get him some passing and a little bit off scoring, that would be a bonus. this is why i said in my speech that i see the NT as a very long project. if need be, i will train multi skilled players myself.

and i was serious what i said to the other guy too, i am more than happy to train a big guy (big in length) in outside skills and than pass him on to someone that is willing to make him a PF or trade him to someone that does the opposite. i know from experience that training both inside and outside skills yourself on 1 and the same player, doesnt make it worth it.

we are 3 to 4 seasons away from having multi skilled players. until than we need to try and improve the players we have as much as we can and take every win as a bonus.

we have some great trained guards coming and a super SF. the owners are all willing to train them well. now all we need is some good PFs and C and we will have a good core set off players. until than dont act like we have good players, because i am sure you very well know we dont have them. if they would be good enough you would have taken some aboard yourself because several have been for sale over the last few weeks.

ps if i would want to patronise the other guy, i wouldnt have given him all the tips that i gave him.



Last edited by Astragoth at 8/31/2011 5:06:09 PM

ps if i would want to patronise the other guy, i would have given him all the tips that i gave him.

It was patronising. Your Freudian slip speaks for itself. But you did make a good argument elsewhere when you challenged him to manage the NT. I plan on taking you up on that challenge next election. Personally, I think we should organize our team along the lines of what the Silverbacks are going in USA's top league. From what I understand, they use phenomenal outside D to beat Look Inside. I know the England teams have limited resources to build monsters. Thus, I would focus on encouraging managers to build up the Outside D to 20+, leave the Inside D around 9-13, and focus the Big Men salaries on Inside scoring, rebounding and driving. Oh, and no one makes the national team with passing less than 6. Preferably 8.

i made a typo in that message and have changed it

you dont need to pick up the challenge.

i am more than happy for you to run the NT and select the bigs with passing no lower than level 6. cant wait for you to do that.

i will finish my term and wait and see what bigs with passing 6 or higher, especially 8 and higher you will pick...

good luck on being the new NT coach. i will surely vote for you.

Last edited by Astragoth at 8/31/2011 5:10:16 PM

I think the point is that we need to have clear targets for the managers who train for the NT. If we set the policy that bigs need to have decent passing, and that we don't care as much if the Inside D is above 13, then that is what the trainers will train. We all have to be on the same page. NT managers can't just cross their fingers and hope. Now, I'm not saying that's what you are doing, and I understand that you can only do the best with what you are dealt.

However, since the England team is out of any serious international contention, now might be a good time to take stock of what we have and get everyone on the same page. Encouraging us to train big men with horrible secondaries and HoF potential is a waste of time because in 2 years, when they are half decent, the current crop of 23 year olds will be much better and that HoF player won't even make the NT.

sands-pierson is one of our higher potential prospects yes, but his limitations are clear to see.

sands-pierson is one of our higher potential prospects yes, but his limitations are clear to see.

that is exactly what i ment. and maybe i sounded patronising, but i dont like it when people are comparing apples with pears or with bananas. this is why i was perhaps aggresive towards the other guy, but i know i was right. it is always easier to stand on the side and criticise the coaches, but if you dont really know what we got to offer player wise, it would be nice players keep their criticism to themselves or perhaps listen to advice from the NT coach.

lvl 9 JR for a PF or 7 or 8 OD, elmacca you know it very well and perhaps even better than me. we dont have such players on our squad and even with 2 full seasons out off position training we dont have such players. the same counts for lvl 8 or 9 for passing on bigs.

i am working very hard with several coaches to bring our NT forward. but if someone believes he can do a better job, I am more than happy to let them.

and using the plans and ideas off a league team coach is in my opinion bound for disaster. why? because in the league noone has 5 200k players as starters in their team. The better NTs do and they have 10 such players. lvl 10 or 11 ID will not work vs a 300k salary big.

but i am not like some others saying they are wrong. because in buzzerbeater there are many ways to succes. if someone think they can do a better job with the NT. than they can run the NT. but they better do a better job than I will do and put more time and effort into the NT than I have and will. or else I will be really disappointed..... but if someone can pull such an idea off and do a better job than me, than i am the first willing to admit it and to step down and let the "better" coach run the NT. I aint doing this for my own glory and I am happy to admit it when I am wrong or not the best for the NT coach position.

Last edited by Astragoth at 8/31/2011 5:31:34 PM

However, since the England team is out of any serious international contention, now might be a good time to take stock of what we have and get everyone on the same page. Encouraging us to train big men with horrible secondaries and HoF potential is a waste of time because in 2 years, when they are half decent, the current crop of 23 year olds will be much better and that HoF player won't even make the NT.

this is why we are contacting coaches with future prospects and with current NT players. we didnt wait until we were out off contention, we started the day i got elected for the NT. i know that most 22 and 23 year old prospects have already been contacted by enrico and when my time allows it i will contact the 24 and 25 year old ones. like i am also trying to get gameshape up to scratch and while i am trying to get crappy current NT players being trained in some secondaries whilst they are the best we have at the moment until we have better.

but like i said, and i mean it. if you think you can do a better job, run for the NT position next term and you will get my vote.

I cant wait for you to beat the top 40 countries in the world during your reign. The english community needs succes and i am sure you will be the one to bring it in 2 seasons time. you got my vote

Last edited by Astragoth at 8/31/2011 5:36:59 PM

OK, I accept I went in too hard. I do think you are doing a good job in player development for the future of the NT.

I have been reading this forum for while now and to be honest, I don't like the idea that you are putting forward at all. Are you trying to tell me that as England NT manager you would demand managers train THEIR players in whatever skill YOU think will benefit the NT most? I think this is shameful and would frankly be abusing your power, lower level managers look up to the NT coach for guidance on how best to train their players, and to tell someone that training IS high and leaving ID relatively low is terrible because even though that player would work well with your NT, it wouldn't be any good for the managers team at all!

I would not and could not make demands on what they train. I could only make suggestions.

I would tell managers that there is a certain type of player I want for the national team. If they want to train their player to fit their team's interest rather than fit the interests of the national team, that's fine. But, that doesn't mean I (or any national team manager) has to take that player onto the NT.

edit: Training primary skills above 15 will make players cost prohibitive for most lower level managers. My suggestion that they focus on the secondary skills is actually in their interests.



Last edited by Mzungu77 at 8/31/2011 6:37:33 PM