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219023.58 in reply to 219023.57
Date: 7/5/2012 1:25:21 PM
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Draft isn't the biggest encouragement to tank, it's the money. In the meantime, good draftees are important the small clubs to have a chance to reach the biggest leagues one day.


but the good draftee land in the clubs who just left the "bigger" league. And don't end up in genious fourth league drafts.

Imho when it should help the small club, the pick betwen the relegated and the promoted team should be exchanged.

PS: Also when it isn't a incentive, since to meaning less it won't help then.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 7/5/2012 1:25:59 PM

From: Kukoc

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Date: 7/5/2012 4:36:31 PM
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Please try relegating!

From: CrazyEye

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Date: 7/5/2012 4:54:33 PM
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please tell me again, that promoting back made you a weak team, and you need backups to promote back cause else you would loose a game ;)

Normally teams relegating are quite good in the division below, and in my eyes it isn't bad when the leagues get mixed up and sooner or later i will relegate but i don't need a bonus for doing so.

From: Kukoc

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219023.61 in reply to 219023.60
Date: 7/5/2012 6:00:34 PM
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You miss the point again. Teams that relegate, get a hammer to their finances. You have not experienced this, so why even argue? I was running a hefty minus with a roster I would have afforded before at that same level I relegated to. The draftee you get, will somewhat soften that fall if you plan on training him for your own team (merc) or selling. Even with decent scouting, you might still get crap.
You do understand that before a team even makes divI, he has to be a strong team already in divII, while not getting extra draft picks.
You are suggesting here that weaker teams, who relegate should get the economic hammer and should lose their draft pick. The pick should go to teams promoting and netting the promotion bonus? Letting the teams in the playoffs pick first in DivI? How is that fair?

From: CrazyEye

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219023.62 in reply to 219023.61
Date: 7/5/2012 6:06:09 PM
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but even non tankers have normally cheaper roster then other and can earn money while relegating so they have savings, and if you are like naturally in the top again you get lot more money inc ase of promotion too ;)

It is not that you relegate and then have to fight relegation again, since you are so economical biased, instead most of them are still fighting for the promotion back.(Even when that may cost a bit from human capital of a higher league roster)

From: Kukoc

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219023.63 in reply to 219023.62
Date: 7/5/2012 6:51:25 PM
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I kept building my team in divI. I did not want to relegate. When you build a team yuo have little money left over. I was broke when promoting up again with 22-0 record. If it had taken a week longer, I would have lost my team to TL.
It's pretty hard to discuss this matter with a manager, who has never experienced relegation. So relegating team should not be on par with league leaders, considering draft picks.

From: CrazyEye

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219023.64 in reply to 219023.63
Date: 7/5/2012 6:59:26 PM
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but i can do the math of it ;)

Yes you get a hit in the economics, and reducing the quality is not always combined with a economical profit but still i don't want that relegation means instand promotions and your scary example with a 22-0 record which need clearly help is probadly also not a experience i would use here in your favour.

From: Kukoc

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Date: 7/5/2012 7:40:08 PM
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How can you do the math? Do GM's have more knowledge than others? You either need a multiaccount or access to other managers finances.
So just because I could do it, are you saying it's easy to get back up in a large country?
Are you saying that relegating teams need no revards, just penaltys? What are you trying to say? Want me to pull out facts on how many teams promote again after relegating from divI?

From: yodabig

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219023.67 in reply to 219023.65
Date: 7/6/2012 3:19:46 AM
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I am in a similar situation in that I hwas in the top division season 18 and totally tanked it, then was in division II with all my money from throwing an entire season and still found it a challenge to promote (I know my record looks good but I didn't feel safe until the last game was over I was always one injury from another season in division II) and my finances were horrible I was making a fraction of what I had made the previous time I was in division II despite my great success that season where I made top 8 of the cup, won all TV and rivalry games and was 24/26 overall in league games. It was the correct way to do it but having been through the process it was very hard. Still I am not sure what I think from an ethical point of view, from a team advancement point of view it was great.

From: CrazyEye

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219023.68 in reply to 219023.66
Date: 7/6/2012 4:17:26 AM
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yes you normally gain money while relegating, or loss less then teams that dont already even when you not tank. You have then a worse situation then other top teams, but in most cases a better roster which you maybe had to slim.

But i see it regulary relegation means fight for promotion back, you don't have the ticket to make it and most times it is hard but it isn't like that that those teams are so poor now that they face the fear of relegation again. Yes they have less income, but also they have more human capital and skills and maybe need them to slimm there roster(whcich don't make them a bad team)

So if you need to help then, why the other who fight promotion then, should get crappy picks.

And for me more rotation in the leagues would be good, and not bad when not always the same teams go up and down.

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