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From: aMORFIczny

To: Pewu
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Date: 9/20/2012 9:00:07 AM
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Yep, me too :)

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Date: 9/20/2012 9:33:03 AM
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2. Racman had 3 open shots. All other shots were contested. He missed the one of three opened shots, but scored on all defended shots.


How many of those defended shots were defended by the PF? All the great OD in the world on a PG and SG won't help a bit when it's a big man who is handling the midrange jumper.

From: Xsago
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Date: 9/20/2012 6:50:23 PM
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To join the debate regarding the 2-3 zone loss, in my opinion there are two aspects that need to be evaluated using a 2-3 zone: How suitable are your players AND how suitable are your opponents players. Some of the reasons are in bullets below:

- The gain when using a 2-3 zone is not only in inside defense but in rebounding as well. Rebounding often goes underestimated when talking about 2-3 zones
- You need high ID,SB and RB on your inside players to maximize the effectiveness of the zone on the inside players.
- Uneven ID distribution between the players used at the SF,PF and C spots may lead to worse performance against a certain high IS player in the opponents team.
- You need high OD, ID and to a degree SB on your guards.
- Opponent guards with high DV and IS are extremely dangerous against 2-3 zones.
- Good passing guards kill 2-3 zones by making perfect passes to their big men. Often the "assist" bonus of the offense is bigger than the "2-3" bonus of the defense. Usually this results into huge assist to turnover ratios for the opponent.
- Guards with good shooting skills will have a higher chance to take and make an outside shot.

In general, zones struggle against balanced players with strong secondary skills IMO. The 2-3 zone can and does work, but only in specific situations. and against suitable opponents. In a competition like B3 that is not often the case unfortunately, since the rosters of most participants are well prepared for 2-3 zones especially if they are a heavy LI team..

All of this is my opinion of course.

From: Koperboy

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Date: 9/21/2012 2:44:42 AM
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Very good and nicely argumented writing you got there, I agree with almost all statements except this:

since the rosters of most participants are well prepared for 2-3 zones especially if they are a heavy LI team..


Heavy LI team actually should feature guards without good shooting skills, which you stated is dangerous against 2-3 zone. But I'll agree this is a nitpick, as heavy LI team features guards with great PA, DR and good IS, which you already stated kills a 2-3 zone.

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Date: 9/21/2012 8:59:16 AM
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I wonder if someone will tell us why AL -Maghrib team(43576) is out of competitiion for the second season in a row ?

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Date: 9/21/2012 9:06:03 AM
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Seeing he doesn't complain on forums, it must be a good reason.

From: Azrail

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Date: 9/21/2012 9:13:31 AM
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I wonder if someone will tell us why AL -Maghrib team(43576) is out of competitiion for the second season in a row ?

the only one who can answer this question is BB-Marin , but it seems that he is not reading this thread.

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Date: 9/21/2012 9:23:15 AM
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Date: 9/22/2012 8:07:35 AM
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Nope. I also saw it last year and told it Crazy Eye, Marin wasn't able to change it because the tournament began one week earlier. I'm sure he can't do anything now after four games. This has to be fixed before the cup begins, things like that just can't happen..

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From: Azrail

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Date: 9/22/2012 9:03:07 AM
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Reported to BB-Marin...hope to avoid such a situation next year.

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