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Thanks for your reply, and the training schedule you have seems workable indeed. But how do you think your team would perform? I guess you basically have a LI team but with with incapable bigs on offense that rebound and pass the ball back to the guards, or how do you see it?

Bigs are playing pg and sg on offense...this team can play li, patient or outside iso. Not sure for motion yet.

What I meant is that your "Bigs" look like LI guards; they got all guard skills and just some lesser JR (not a biggie for LI) and not high passing but they can be SG's, and they got high IS but that's for LI. Then you got bigs that don't have IS and have passing instead, so they just rebound, don't shoot but pass the ball. So although you're saving some money, you lose your inside presence too.

Well, I didn't say you can train 4-5 guys, each up to at least 130 skillpoints, and play any tactic you want with them. You just can't. You are limited with time - there's only so much training seasons in a player. You can't train them up to 30 years. Also you can't have a team that can win with any tactic you want. Your team has to be specialized in 2-3 tactics and be effective in executing them. You can't have a team that can play R&G and LI equally good.

I'm training Anžic, who is 201 cm (preferred height for your trainees), for five seasons now and it's not easy. With proper training management, you can train three guys at once, but that would take 7 seasons. After you're done with those three, you spend next 7 seasons training at least two new guys. Then you can play those five together when first three guys are 32...nope, it doesn't work.

So considering time limit, that's the best I could come up with. Yes, those guards are looking like popular LI guards; but those LI guards don't have JS, DR and IS 18 or more which my guys would have. Plus, they would play on SF, PF or C position. Now imagine two of those guards playing SF and PF, a generic SF on center and your two passing bigs on PG and SG. You play Motion. I bet you'd get some really interesting stuff out of your team, like your PG, SG and C passing and driving, and your SF and PF taking jumpers and 3s. Or playing Outside Isolation with same lineup.

Goal of my idea is to bypass the toughest obstacles (namely OD on PG and SG) and to attack the opponent's weaknesses, that's OD on SF, PF and C. Everyone plays LI lately, so their SFs don't have more than 14-15 OD and their PFs don't have more than 10 OD. Their PGs and SGs have OD=20, but with your passing bigs, you really don't care about that, do you? Now take your players and play Motion or R&Gagainst PG and SG with OD=20...

The idea is to "force" game engine to always choose your guards and SF as scorers, whatever position they may play.

Yeah my example roster wasn't a realistic one, just one to show how many skillpoints you can get for a certain amount of salary. But I think that if you switch OD and ID instead of IS for PA and JR/PA for IS, you don't have to compromise your offense and still save a lot of salary. I haven't taken the time to work out an entire training schedule to be completed by one team, but I'll try it soon to compare to yours.

I do think your plan is good and certainly has its benefits, and maybe more realistic than what I'm aiming for. I'm very curious to hear how it works, so please let me know when you get the chance to test it.

The chance to test...what exactly? How do games look? It's a long way to go to obtain those players... at least 8-9 seasons from now. I've been also thinking to buy 20-21y old centers with good ID and RB, and just train them in 1 on 1 and Passing. That would speed things up a bit. At least two guards would be able to play with two bigs for longer period of time.

Yeah I understand. Here's a comparison of what I suggest vs a traditional lineup:

I assume you're using MVP potential players. A regular Center would have something like 17/17/17/8, with around 7 in the guard skills for a salary of 183k at his cap. If you switch OD and ID (17/9), you only have 70k salary and a free 20% towards the potential cap, or a PAS potential instead of MVP. Since this guy will be defending on the perimeter, he actually doesn't need 17 rebounding, but we'll leave it at that in order to get a little lower on the PG since he'll be a bit more expensive.

Then you'll have the PG, a MVP potential one for LI would have something like 14/12/17/15/15/16 with around 7 in the big skills (or 11 IS and 9 ID) for 131k. Switch up ID and OD (9/17) and you'll have a 74k guard at almost 20% cap left. Now when this guy is defending the key, he'll need more than 7 RB but if you make it 16 RB you'll still only be at 111k and within the cap. Now with the extra RB you'll need some more training, or you could choose to not make it as high because you already have high RB on your bigs. Say you'll put it at 14, and you'll be at 90k.

If you switch up these 2 players you'll save 150k salary (almost half what you'd have otherwise) while keeping the same overall skills (higher overall rebounding but a bit lower on the bigs, I'm guessing it kinda evens out).

Training schedule for 4 players:
Start with 3 seasons Pressure and Inside scoring for your bigs.
Then add your PG and do 1,5 season Rebounding, 0,5 season 1v1 and 1 season Passing.
Your C is ready (age 24), replace him with an SG and do 1,5 season Jumpshot.
Your PF is ready (age 24,5), continue training Inside defense for 1,5 season.
Train 1 season passing and 1 season Outside shooting to finish your PG.
Train Rebounding, 1v1 and some Ball handling to finish your SG.

By the time your bigs and PG are ready, they are 28 and 25. I think that's viable. You could also choose to short the cyle a bit and only train Centers and PG, but you'll save less salary.

EDIT:
You can also buy a semi-trained SF that has something like 13/10/7/9/10/7/8/10/12/8 at 22 or something and train him together with your bigs at the start. I don't know if this saves money, but you have a spare training slot at the start and you could use it like this.


Last edited by Jeründerbar at 2/11/2013 11:28:01 AM

You sure had a great idea, but it's difficut to do, like everyone said... But if someone succeed in it, he will dominate the game, for sure.

Just commenting on that HA thing. This guy (8204999) the last time I saw in the TL a season or more ago had 20 OD and 20 HA, and playing in the type of competition he's in, 1.6 steals average is kind of low...