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From: magiker
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Date: 9/20/2013 7:21:01 PM
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Well the most recent news post changes things a bit. It's as if smallfrie can predict future changes to BB. It seems like now there is a disadvantage to being predictable, and the whole "keeping the competition on their toes" bit seems to now have merit. This also makes worlds in season 26 a bit more interesting. I still think we have to build mutltiskilled and sustainable players, but it also looks like we have to focus a bit more on building players who can play multiple tactics.

From: fewmit

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Date: 9/20/2013 10:22:04 PM
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I just noticed that none of the Top 5 U21 teams in the world (Italy, Russia, USA, Latvia, Phillipines) have a National Team that is ranked in the Top 10. I think this is a reflection of these countries encouraging the primary skill-heavy "arms race" of U21 to trainers of high-potential young players rather than a balanced build for players early on. A recent example is David Aquino (27260671). A manager on the offsite commented that he would train OD/PA for a season if he bought him. Our U21 manager's response? Aquino will "get OD and PS training this season over my dead effing body."

My question to the candidates is: should the U21 team take a (relative) back seat to the National Team when it comes to high-potential players in the hopes of creating world-class, salary efficient players (ie emphasizing training secondaries at a young age rather than waiting to do so once they hit 22 years old)? And if so, how would you work with the U21 coach to enact such a plan when your respective goals are at least partially conflicting?

I should protest that you've taken my smart-ass comment a bit out of context...it was directed about a specific player and a specifically stupid post, and is not a summation of my U21 big training philosophy.

This issue has been discussed for many seasons now, and in my experience each season I've coached U21 I could count no more than two players that have been "NT tracked" and trained in a way that he was no use to U21 (Magiker's Bello being one of them). This only potentially affects bigs with 9+ potential, and I've come around that this really isn't a big concern for either program. I'm just not seeing players being "lost" for NT purposes, and the depth taken out on the U21 roster isn't a make or break problem. I'd be curious if any candidate who feels otherwise can give detailed proof otherwise.

Your example of other countries doesn't hold up, either...both Poland and China's U21 and NT programs have consistently both brought home hardware for many seasons in a row now.

I've actually been creating the scouting groups for some time now, so I'll continue to make that "NT track" group and give it to jfarb. Screw fewmit. Nothing he can do, regardless of who's elected as the manager.
Up yours.

Group hug!
From: Isaiah

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Date: 9/20/2013 11:07:58 PM
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Hmm...interesting

From: A-Dub

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Date: 9/20/2013 11:50:58 PM
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Up yours.


What am I reading? 50 shades of gay?

Does anyone else feel the erotic buzz coming from all this sexual tension lingering in this forum? You guys are taking full advantage of my emotional vulnerabilities. If this continues, I'll have no choice but to drop trou' for the rest of this electoral debate.


"You will lose." -Ivan Drago
From: A-Dub
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Date: 9/20/2013 11:54:38 PM
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As of now, my vote is leaning towards Isaiah. He's really grasped voters such as my self with his innate sense of awareness and his arousing... I mean.. entertaining political style.

"You will lose." -Ivan Drago
From: Phyr

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Date: 9/21/2013 9:27:01 AM
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What do you think about the new S25 announcements and how do they apply to the NT? The S26 Worlds will probably be the first season with the tactic guessing aspect.

From: Ruaidri
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Date: 9/21/2013 9:42:13 AM
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The announcements sound great in my ears. A multi-skilled NT which can be unpredictable is how I love to see it.

To Fermit, I don't see any problem when a manager wants to build his player first to the U21 and than further to NT, when he has enough potential. Only problem, specially with bigs can be the salary, but if a manager doesn't care about that, or wants to accomplish that his player first plays in the U21 and than in the NT, I don't see a problem.

Only in the dark, we succeed!
From: moflaffle

To: Phyr
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Date: 9/21/2013 10:54:46 AM
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Why is that message in reply to me? lol

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Date: 9/21/2013 12:51:25 PM
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Why is that message in reply to me? lol


Because he wants Eminence Front to answer it? ;)

From: A-Dub

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Date: 9/21/2013 2:54:33 PM
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What is your stance on gay athletes joining the NT team? Should they be able to share a locker room, and/or, be able to shower with the non-homosexual athletes? Should we stop using basketball terms such as, "bang down low," or "who needs a 30sec blow?"

Other examples: My JV coach used a lot of these terms, mostly while wearing a tight T-shirt that read -- "I like big weanies, with the caption 'uncle mikes hotdogs,' right under it." Not to mention his weird stretching methods he use to make us perform, and the ass smacking. Plus he was a close talker... really weird guy... Ok, I'm going off on a tangent here.

So, Moff, are sports a place for heterosexual and homosexual athletes, alike. If so, do you feel the statements I went over--above--are appropriate at a professional level and NT level?

Also, if you were NT manager, would you wear a tight "uncle mikes hotdogs" t-shirt to practice? Elaborate.




"You will lose." -Ivan Drago
From: Phyr

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Date: 9/21/2013 3:10:12 PM
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Laziness, sir.

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