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Division 2 tends to be fairly unbalanced, with a concentration of good teams in one or 2 leagues. Record and conference position is not great to reflect that. I'm sure you have the same in your nation.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 9/26/2017 7:11:24 PM

there is a huge difference !

they want to win, first of all, and there will be no boost if they promote like that, so believe me, they have absolutely no interest in playing the playoffs like scrimmages ! (except maybe if your best friend is in the same league as you and can promote, but come on, this doesn't really happen...)

Yes I agree, attendance bonus is veeery important. Without that, they can't make a good profit.

I think you greatly underestimate the attendance boost.

In my div3, a classical promotee who delegated made 500k more than I did over the season and I promoted the new way (was also in the finals so your way would've worked for me too) and more than that, he wasn't paying attention to his prices while I kept trying hard (I even made the playoffs...)

So the attendance bonus is a huge must have in my opinion, I would've rather stayed one more season in D4, I might've made more money there

But I get your point, the playoffs should not be friendly games !

I was going to stay out of this having said my piece but as you can have two bites I'll do so too.

Logic dictates that prizes at the end of the season are given for either an entire season, as in Football (Saaaaawker to Americans), or playoffs as in Football (the American form.) Never either/or. We have formerly given prizes (promotion) to playoff teams. It makes no logical sense to change this to give promotion to the "best" remaining regular season team. There's no precedent for it anywhere that I'm aware of, and just does not make sense.

Of course, there shouldn't be a 5th promoted team for various other reasons I've spoken about before.

Well there are some things true from the both sides of the argument:
- Some final game can be "fixed" once both teams see that if the final goes one way, both will be promoted.
- We must think too that is a award for the champion of the league (they will recieve mor money in the final) and most of the times when you are on the final you just want to "bring the cup to your home"

I guess that the actual formula is the best one: all the champions must be promoted and 4 second places is nice too.
I dont agree with the fact of this 4 "luckys" be compared based on the position in their conference (I can be a 20-2 with a 2nd position in the blue and other one be a 16-6) so I guess we could do a diferent formula to determine who are these 4 luckys:

- If you want to be promoted, you must reach the final of your league so no one will do scrimmages until they get the final (and I think this must stay as it is).
- After the final, I think that we should do a "luckys playoffs", that would consist in 16 teams (considering a III division) and then play in a playoff sistem to determine the 4 that are promoted.
- That could be done just next to the final and the enthusiasm of all teams must be fixed (to not have that scrimmages on the final just to get better to these playoffs)

I think this would solve some of the problems, of course some that weaker teams can be promoted and stronger ones remain but at least we know that for a weaker team be promoted they needed to win against 2 other second placed teams from other leagues

The problem is that these playoffs would have to be played on Monday: I don't see it happening. It also means potentially a week with 4 games: not a chance.

It's either Conference rank or Finals as first tiebreaker. Personally I would promote the best of the beaten finalists. The regular season is to determine match ups and HCA, if you are 22-0 you are guaranteed HCA throughout. Playoffs are a different story.

Also, never forget that Finals before conference position and record were the criteria used at the beginning of Utopia.

And the argument that you can buy for the playoffs is a bit moot as some changes introduced in the past make it harder: mostly GS hit and the larger haircut to reselling (so you buy overpriced and then you have to keep the player or make a loss on the trading)

Last edited by Lemonshine at 9/27/2017 9:15:07 PM