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From: El Duderino

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126331.6 in reply to 126331.5
Date: 1/2/2010 8:57:12 PM
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Most teams and probalby all good teams agree that training game shape is a big waste in 99% of the cases.
You should be able to maintain your players ' game shape at 8 or 9 by handling their playing minutes during the weeks. That makes the training of game shap quite useless.

You should rather invest training time in training real skills.

We have both said a lot of things that you are going to regret.
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126331.7 in reply to 126331.6
Date: 1/3/2010 12:06:50 AM
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yes, but if someone didn't know that game shape does improve player performance and dropped it to 4-5 by overplaying their best players, a week of game shape training could pull them out of a dangerous situation.

in all other circumstances, game shape is easily managed with minutes played in games.

and some people like to train it during playoff or at the start of the season if they have a big important game in the second week

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126331.8 in reply to 126331.6
Date: 1/3/2010 2:11:44 PM
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actually i believe real good teams have to train gameshape, maybe even consistently. training the players is a source of money for sure, but playing in a high division has its own benefits. for teams which do not have quality players, this will not mean anything of course. for someone who has only 5 quality players and trying to play to win all, training game shape is makes perfect sense.

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126331.9 in reply to 126331.8
Date: 1/3/2010 2:16:20 PM
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at least for germany it is an exception, before the finals(cup and championship) we do it for the rest we try it with skill training.

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126331.10 in reply to 126331.8
Date: 1/3/2010 8:00:28 PM
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actually i believe real good teams have to train gameshape, maybe even consistently. training the players is a source of money for sure, but playing in a high division has its own benefits. for teams which do not have quality players, this will not mean anything of course. for someone who has only 5 quality players and trying to play to win all, training game shape is makes perfect sense.


I've trained Game Shape twice in 10+ seasons.

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126331.11 in reply to 126331.10
Date: 1/3/2010 8:33:25 PM
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actually i believe real good teams have to train gameshape, maybe even consistently. training the players is a source of money for sure, but playing in a high division has its own benefits. for teams which do not have quality players, this will not mean anything of course. for someone who has only 5 quality players and trying to play to win all, training game shape is makes perfect sense.


I've trained Game Shape twice in 10+ seasons.


Couldnt resist :D

I trained it last week - probably to no avail...my first weeks GS was diabolical to say the least despite being happy with my minutes - I had no option this week.

Prior to this I think I´ve trained it one other time.... I guess we need to wait for wily young jbm to give us the definitive answer... failing this our resident Kozlodoev could masquarade and offer an alternative opinion!

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126331.12 in reply to 126331.11
Date: 1/4/2010 2:24:22 AM
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well, i did not actually mean old, well-structured, deep teams. if you have so many good players and are able to balance the minutes for your players while being competitive for three games of the week, then for sure you do not need it. think about a team who does not have the resources and capital you have.

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126331.13 in reply to 126331.12
Date: 1/4/2010 8:35:46 AM
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well, i did not actually mean old, well-structured, deep teams. if you have so many good players and are able to balance the minutes for your players while being competitive for three games of the week, then for sure you do not need it. think about a team who does not have the resources and capital you have.


how u want to increase the skills of your players to also become an 'old, well-structured, deep team' by training gameshape? this week is lost for skilltraining.

Last edited by schubrakete at 1/4/2010 8:40:52 AM

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126331.14 in reply to 126331.13
Date: 1/4/2010 8:56:38 AM
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Game shape seems so random. Last week I had three tough matches so I broke my normal rules and played some of my boys a little more than usual. Top minutes was Mo who actually went UP a level to strong after playing 90 minutes. Amazing! Luck seems to balance out though, at the other end a different player who should have been 48+ bizarrely played 47 minutes lost a game shape and training effect. He sucks!

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126331.15 in reply to 126331.13
Date: 1/4/2010 9:00:54 AM
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all i am saying is, if you have a deep roster then you do not need to train game shape as you can compete in all areas without sacrificing skill training. if you do not have many good players, like most of us, to win promotion, to gain homecourt advantage, to win cup games etc., it makes sense to give up skill training.

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126331.16 in reply to 126331.14
Date: 1/4/2010 9:10:52 AM
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of course there is random factor - otherwise it would be boring. the massage-doc also influences the gs rise/drop per minutes.

i dont say aplayer with 80+ minutes has to drop gameshape but the chance for a drop is increased and the chance for a rise is decreased. still, its possible

the basic discussion here was if its recommended to train gameshape. and in my opinion if u manage ur minutes its waste of trainingtime. i did it once in 8+ seasons (last season in the final week before my second promotion match)

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