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That's very Cheney like response. We all know that it is generally more slow paced and generally more 3's and layups are attempted. You can't comment either way on if what I described is a possible outcome though?

If Princeton relies on players passing more and ball movement, would it be fair to assume a team of players who have solid, passing, driving, and outside/inside shooting skills is what one would need to run BB Princeton effectively?

Wow quite an impressive answer. Really hard to argue with that even though some people will try.

I have run almost every offence except this one. There is no point in people saying you need good passing, driving, handling, jump shot and jump range in all your players to run this. If you had that you could run anything so what would be the advantage of Princeton? Can someone be a little more specific? What do you really need? My understanding is the most important things are:

PF- Passing
Guards/SF - JR and DR

Is that close?

Not really. They said BB Princeton is not exactly like real Princeton, but it is most similar to that system considering what the other systems do.

If I had the money, this is what I'd do. Assuming your team is decent...

PG-

JS: 6-8 JR: 10-13
OD 11-13 H: 9-13
DR: 11-14 P: 12-14
IS: 4-7 ID: 3-5
RB: 3-5 SB: 3-5

SG-

JS: 8-10 JR: 12-14
OD: 11-13 H: 8-12
DR: 10-13 P: 8-11
IS: 5-8 ID: 4-6
RB: 4-7 SB: 4-6

SF -

JS: 7-10 JR: 10-12
OD: 9-11 H: 7-9
DR: 10-13 P: 7-10
IS: 8-12 ID: 7-10
RB: 7-10 SB: 7-10

PF -

JS: 6-9 JR: 7-10
OD: 5-9 H: 5-8
DR: 8-11 P: 5-8
IS: 11-15 ID: 11-15
RB: 9-13 SB: 7-10

C-

JS: 2-4 JR: 4-7
OD: 3-6 H: 6-10
DR: 8-11 P: 8-11
IS: 12-16 ID: 12-16
RB: 13-17 SB: 9-11

you can play whatever roster you have. if you have outside minded offense and going to lose strongly in rebounding or have a big difference in enthusiasm - use princeton, thats all.

Not really as that's leaving out the importance of secondary skills in particular offenses.

The GE and training systems are complex enough that I don't think anyone will be cracking these details AND making them public. Some of these basics (ie: "Princeton results in more 3's and layups and requires players to have lots of passing", etc) would be useful in the game manual. This would give teams something concrete to build a team and training system around. Maybe this would help support the need for having multi-skilled players and make them more valuable.

In real life you can actually see players on the court, how offenses and defenses move, there's nothing secret about the game that can't be scouted. Here we have players with hidden skills and some abstract box scores. It's a pretty confusing game for even the most experienced managers. Sometimes it seems we're just throwing darts at a board blindfolded.

Much of the useful information may come from BB comments randomly around the forums. If I want to know why my 10 JS center can't hit a jumper on an atrocious outside defender, where do i start? Did he just miss a shot he should have made, was he picked up by another player, etc. I'll never know.

Last edited by brian at 3/8/2010 11:31:36 AM

Well put Brain, hey whose leg do I have to hump to get a dry martini around here?

I'm in the process of compiling some comments I think should go in the GE. The commentary is sub par compared to the rest of the game.

leaving out the importance of secondary skills in particular offenses.
there is basketball ABC for that, too much (thinking) is allways bad. just my opinion.

If you dont have secundary skills on your outside players(PG-SG-SF) i dont know how you want to play princeton right. You really need lot of passing in the 3 outside man's and another skills like driving and IS also helps a lot. So you forgot the D ;)

if it was to me, then... fast attack needs good offence, rebounding. off course with ball handling passing etc. defence is´t so important because of high speed. slow attack high defense, probably are then lower skilled players (offence, reb) <- higher experience helps out. no more words from me :D

Last edited by Marx_T at 3/8/2010 3:55:55 PM

i would switch JR and JS in your proposal.

I tried Princeton during the 1st round of the playoffs and it really worked on my players. Eventhough i lost that game (only two points and my opponent is top on our league), i observed that my Big Men (C and PF) are always giving the ball to my my guards. In the game engine, you would see "finds Guard on space" "delivered a great pass to". But my guards won't convert on 3 coz they are not that very good on shooting 3's (prominent js and jr).
http://www.buzzerbeater.com/match/20072290/boxscore.aspx

as you can see, my big men had many assists than the guards.

You should see that game and forward it to 47:40. I assure you, that game is good. :)