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Taiyo....You will start in the World Cup Qualifiers....forget about saving players for now...maybe keep one spot open but you can't afford to lose a playable spot trying to save 18 yr olds.
I also think the saving players should be the U-21 coaches job..any player over 22 and under 10K salary isn't worth saving anyway...

I was talking about 18yo players. All well and good to say it's Wolph's job, but the reality is that we have such a high turn-over in Japan that it's unrealistic to place it all on the U21s.

In my opinion (and that's from the outside looking in kinda... I appreciate that), we have to have perspective when it comes to our NTs. We have a way to go.

I am all for saving Superstars and MVPs but Allstars....Let them go...

you're joking right? Salary isn't a good way to judge players. I think you know this but you still insist on spamming this thread...Yikes!!

I agree, yet here you are in your own post using salary as a measure as well.

any player over 22 and under 10K salary isn't worth saving

I guess I could quote you right back at yourself! But I am not wanting to start an argument, but instead to help the NT move forward. I don't know why you just want to criticise. Obviously salary is an imperfect measure but except for the coach everyone else is looking from the outside and without a long and detailed examination of game statistics that also somehow takes into account the quality of the opposition, enthusiasm used and game shape which I think is really close to impossible, it is the best we have. Please don't pretend otherwise just so you can land an attack on me for some reason.

Also when people talk about Cs with no secondaries I tend to think of those guys you see on the TL all the time with 4 x atrocious etc, not guys that have things like average passing and average OD. If truly he had no secondaries I wouldn't have bought Kouzuki, although the price was such a bargain.

My point is that looking from the outside I am told that the team is weak, that the players there currently are mostly just primary skill based anyway, and that looking just at salaries (come on what other realistic comparason do you expect us to make? Surely not DMI? PPG? RPG? Match ratings?) he would be the 5th top on the team. If a $70,000 allstar potential C (who I doubt will have great secondaries) and a $60,000 allstar potential PF are on the team why can't a $100,000 perennial allstar C be?

I was talking about using the NT team to save players. Please read my post without the blinders on...When a team goes BOT .any player over 10K get put on the TL right? So, if a player has less than 10K salary at the age of 22 he would be not worth saving. see..a 22 year old with 7K salary would get retired. do we really need to be saving 22 and older bums with less than 10K salary ...The answer is NO!! But I guess he could save a good MVP pot. player who is under 21 but that to me isn't his job...The NT always rotate between the WC qualifiers and the Consolation cup and the WC is way more important..So I think the NT (NT or U-21), which is in the Cosolation cup is the team that should be doing all the saving.
My reason why...
Lets say the NT team has 16 players on it....peolple start telling him to save players..he has two spot open so he does. he is in the middle of the WC group stage(let's say 4th game) and one of the new 22 yr olds pops 4 weeks in a row and he has a player get injured so he wants to bring the new player into the team but now has to cut one of the two players he saved. In turn, he has two decisions. one..lose enthusiasm, two..not bring the new player into the team and plays the rest of the group stage undermaned. In my opinion, I don't ever want the NT team to have to make this decision.

OK..second part is to Kyoto..
What big would you rather have...
C #1...84K build
Jump Shot: strong Jump Range: awful
Outside Def.: strong Handling: strong
Driving: prominent Passing: average
Inside Shot: wondrous Inside Def.: marvelous
Rebounding: wondrous Shot Blocking: strong
Stamina: mediocre Free Throw: awful

C. #2. 100K build
Jump Shot: mediocre Jump Range: awful
Outside Def.: awful Handling: inept
Driving: inept Passing: inept
Inside Shot: marvelous Inside Def.: prodigious
Rebounding: marvelous Shot Blocking: average
Stamina: mediocre Free Throw: awful

Yeah..#2 C's secondaires aren't bad(OK.I'm lying. they are dookie) but do you really think that he would perform better than C #1?
In your world, C#2 should be on the team because he has a 100K salary..When, C #1 would out play him any day of the week due to his JS and driving and even handles and passing and OD. In fact.I think you could take a levell off his IS and drop his salary down to 75K and he would still out perform C#2.
Fact not fiction...Have a nice day..






Last edited by Yellow cake at 2/14/2012 7:06:20 PM

Thanks for the answer. I wasn't comparing a 100k C with really bad secondaries with a 84k C with great ones. I wasn't comparing anyone directly. But Kaname Kouzuki I would argue is closer to the first guy anyway, I think his poor secondaries have been exaggerated.

What would you rather have?

C #3...102K build
Jump Shot: average Jump Range: average
Outside Def.: average Handling: average
Driving: average Passing: average
Inside Shot: marvelous Inside Def.: marvelous
Rebounding: tremendous Shot Blocking: prominent
Stamina: respectable Free Throw: respectable

C #4...62K build
Jump Shot: respectable Jump Range: respectable
Outside Def.: respectable Handling: respectable
Driving: respectable Passing: respectable
Inside Shot: tremendous Inside Def.: tremendous
Rebounding: tremendous Shot Blocking: prominent
Stamina: respectable Free Throw: respectable

C #4 is better in every secondary and would be tempting on a club team because of his low wages, but he wont win you a JBBL championship. The NT doesn't pay wages and unless it wants to lose it will need the strong primaries to compete. I would want C#3 with the worse secondaries on my NT any day of the week.

In my world if you can see the skills you can make a good comparason. In my world if you can't see the skills you have to go on something and I am still waiting to hear what is better than salary if you can't see skills especially when there is a massive gap in the salaries? In my world a $100k C with reasonable secondaries will outplay a $60k C with slightly better secondaries any day of the week.

Fact not fiction...and I had a great day and I hope you do too.

OK..Lets do the experiment on March 20th.....
I will start P.Pablo from my team at C.....73K salary and you start your 102K C....and let's see who balls..
Your guy will have the salary advantage and experience advantage...we play them both at C and we both play LI..
And then we will see which of us is dealing in the real world or who's mind is in dream land.