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How about if we kept our flags and nations and our little NTs but were playing larger World Leagues? At least for the very small nations, Malaysia seems large enough to have active people in D3 so arguably it's big enough to exist independently.

Coming from a tiny nation, I'd be glad if they just announced they were smushing us all into a World League, I'd have restarted again in England or somewhere if I didn't have some cursed sentimentality for my own team built up over the seasons. I could see no problem with that at all if we could still keep our players nationalities and NT's. Players could create their own national and language sub-forums within the league forum if they wished and the only difference would be actually having competition.

I agree with the idea on more dynamic arena incomes too.

Sacramento hasn't won squat in years, its owners have been raking their fans and the city over the coals since they bought the team, and yet they still have sold 82% of their seats this season. Granted, that is down from 100% in 2007 but as bad as they have been I don't think you can call it droves. There are examples in other sports as well. NUFC got relegated three seasons ago and set a Championship attendance record in their one season down. The Cubs routinely sell over 90% of their seats and they haven't won anything in a long long long time. People don't just go to games to support winners.

I think you know we're talking about a different scenario from teams that just suck or are badly run.


Newcastle didn't puposefully sell all their players and field a team of 1k players or forfeit all their games in order so save up millions. If they had done, zero fans would have turned up and their plan to make millions would have failed. Should be the same here.

Last edited by Tortuga at 4/23/2012 3:26:21 PM

Milner, given, martins, Carroll, Enrique- all purposely sold and replaced with MUCH cheaper players. So not so different really. You must not be a Newcastle fan...

i think in reality there is tradition and good place of location which help clubs also recruiting visitors in bad times, i am quite sure if Real madrid goes bancrupt and had to restrt in 6 league they still get plenty of fans especially compared to other 6 league teams. We had a quite similiar situation in germany with Dynamo Dresden, who lost there license and was demoted out of economical reason.

But it is nice when it is like in the reality, but i think it is even ebetter when it is fun and manager try to compete like in reality. If it is difficult to stay in division today, it is quite stupid to try, since you loose a lot of money but not trying means less fun i think for all. So i would love a change which punish the tankers a bit more, the minimum salary was a good step making the fans more discerning would be a good way to do it and not so unreal.

Milner, given, martins, Carroll, Enrique- all purposely sold and replaced with MUCH cheaper players. So not so different really. You must not be a Newcastle fan...

Milner and Given were not purposefully sold, they wanted to leave and the club couldn't keep hold of them, Despite that Newcastle tried their best to avoid rtelegation. Carroll and Enrique left 2 seasons later when Newcastle were back in the Premiership, the money was reinvested and they are on the verge of the Champions League. Very different from them selling everyone on auction in one season and having 60k fans turn up every week to watch 25-0 walkovers until they had enough money to buy Barcelonas first team.

Again, I think you know this and are just creating a random tangent unrelated to the point for your own amusement.

Similarly, there really is no decent argument for allowing long term tanking to happen as it does apart from for the entertainment of the few weirdos that do it. For most of us it's just annoying and ruins the illusion of the game.

i think u r spor on here

i think we all understand what teams like the bobcats r doing & there have been lots of teams like that but they still have SOME nba quality players and pay a decent payroll

when i used 2 play domestic bball there was a big fine like $60 if a team forefitted a game could be the same here

tanking would be severely limited if...

change #1

salary floor was raised to about 150% of tv money in all leagues

this is the current

Division I: 120% of TV money

Division II: 100% of TV money

Division III,IV: 80% of TV money

Division V,VI: 60% of TV money

im my d2 right now tv is 128k & average salaries are $263k so @ 150% the salary floor would be $190k still low enough that teams can semi tank & save but would still have a decent team

change #2

if any team plays a league game in the week without 5 players rostered they forefit their tv money

if u ran a tv station & a team forefitted a game (or a whole season) would u still pay them? nba has a rule like this & while teams would have no reason not 2 have $190k of players some would be perverse enough 2 still play 5 x 1k scrubs, but @ least them they wont wreck everyone elses training & stats & it will look like a game