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I was trying to use 2-3 in an effective way in my last league game... but less than 4 mins in the guy I had at SF got injured.

I'm at D. V but the 2 guards had 8 OD 5 SB
the SF had 7OD 8ID 8 SB, the PF 7OD 7ID 8 SB, and the center (still trying to win games. my PL one would be switched with a diff guy with better D). Center is 1 OD 6 ID 6 SB

The first 4 minutes were VERY effective

yoda explanation is imho correct, if i read your post i couldn't play it.

Yes 15 SB would be good. The problem is that most teams don't have that. They have SB of like 8 or 9

8 or 9 is enough for lower divisions. Not sure if it can pass in USA III, but Malaysia II 9 is ok I guess.

8 or 9 is enough for BBB level, at least to improve your chanches against inside attacks.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 6/26/2012 12:23:56 PM

You mention SB a lot, but by far the best 2-3 zone team i've ever faced had really low shot blocking. Not saying that means anything necessarily... just throwing it out there. (and i notice a couple other said very high SB isn't necessary)

you're right that most people don't have the personnel... but it's strange that a defense requires a specific roster type. For example, does any team not have the personnel to run 3-2 zone???

ok, even *if* someone had the rare team to run 2-3 zone as effectively as man to man... what's the point? You just leave yourself open to get killed by any non-inside offense. Similar to playing 1-3-1 zone expecting motion, but getting look inside instead. (just talking in general -- before someone brings up specific examples).

Why 2-3 zone really sucks as run by every team i've played (but 1): it obviously gets destroyed by outside / neutral offenses. Yet is still the defense i'd most like to face when i use look inside!!! At least from my time in D5-D2. (Yes, even over FCP) Even vs. D1 $200-$300k players it's still failed miserably. Imagine if 1-3-1 zone was worse vs. outside offense than M2M is...

you're right that most people don't have the personnel... but it's strange that a defense requires a specific roster type. For example, does any team not have the personnel to run 3-2 zone???
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Imagine if 1-3-1 zone was worse vs. outside offense than M2M is...

I wonder how it would change if there were two outside defense skills; one that was about turnovers (stolen passes and dribbles) and one that was about defending jump shots. If there was a case and then nobody trained the second one because it was too expensive or didn't do enough or whatever, would 3-2 be broken and would outside offenses be dramatically better?

Of course, I'm not sure that could work - as it is, there are six primary skills for guards and although some people don't like taking JR too high, pretty much all of them are useful and need to be trained. Adding a seventh would just make it that much longer to train a well-rounded guard, while big men continue to have the three skills that people train and one skill that everyone treats as the red-headed stepchild.

Right, you are saying that the 2-3 is even worse than M2M versus a LI, and that is the exact reason SB is important. You could get by probably with low SB if you are facing a team with high IS but not much driving. But when you face those heavy driving teams, the reason it fails is poorly contested layups and dunks that SB would alter.

Also, you say 2-3 is bad against an outside offense, which is logical. But once again, has any team really run it with 2 guards with higher than average OD for their league, along with forwards with good OD to go with the ID? Most likely not. So for that exact reason, people will continue to say that the 2-3 is worse to use but once again, the teams just aren't built for it. A 2-3 defense can be very effective in real life, just like it could be on here. The difference is we can't exactly teach the players on here how to run it effectively, instead we have to train them effectively to play it.

Also, you talk about a 1-3-1 being useless against a good LI attack, but once again it is because teams aren't built properly to run it. Everyone thinks so one dimensionally on here so no teams are built properly for these others defenses. If you were to take your time and build for something other than M2M or 3-2 you would fine that the other defenses are not "broke" and can be run just as effectively.

Last edited by Isaiah at 6/26/2012 2:28:22 PM