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From: Mr AD

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Date: 8/16/2012 9:59:42 AM
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then here's another solution: all teams must have a minimum number of players in their roster. in real life, its around 12 players. but i think 5 is reasonable for bb.

From: Phoenix
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Date: 8/16/2012 10:12:42 AM
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Walkovers do happen and I guess that 25-0 is the score that is applied in real life, I don't see any problem in it.
The only thing that might get changed in my mind is that the team that walks over should get a harder hit on its fans' survey.

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223669.8 in reply to 223669.3
Date: 8/16/2012 12:56:35 PM
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My solutions are:


1. Reduce arena income

2. No TV revenue that week

3. Reduction in merchandising

I stole them, I know, but mine are simpler.


I think you're in the right direction. I think something like:

1. Loss of TV revenue for each walkover, with perhaps escalating amounts for repeat offenders.
2. Loss of all training benefits for the week for each walkover (so players are treated as having played 0 minutes).
3. After a second walkover in a season, a very long-term negative on the fan survey (perhaps 2-3 seasons).
4. When calculating draft position, count each walkover as a win rather than a loss, and for tiebreaks for draft purposes, a team with no walkover gets the better pick.

That should hopefully eliminate most if not all of the reasons anyone would give an intentional walkover and be a harsh reminder to teams that do so accidentally to ensure it won't happen again.

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223669.9 in reply to 223669.8
Date: 8/16/2012 5:29:39 PM
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escalating amounts for repeat offenders.
That should definitely be added in. Sometimes someone makes a mistake and, yes, they should receive an appropriate consequence for it but, no, it shouldn't be too harsh. More than one walkover in a season should carry much greater penalties.

Good idea! +1

From: Fonzi

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223669.10 in reply to 223669.9
Date: 8/17/2012 2:09:18 AM
UK Wildkitties
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Do you want to tackle the cause of the problem or simply regulate its effects?
If intentional walkovers are messing up the league standings, do not allow managers to field an insufficient amount of players. If they do, have the game engine fill the rotation either with lucky fans or autoselect players from the team roster.
Teams can still throw games, but the penalty will be a blowout. Financially, I don't know whether the system distinguishes between a 25 point loss and a 100 point loss.

From: Axis123

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Date: 8/17/2012 2:30:18 AM
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What if a team only has 3 players? Field "lucky fans"? Yeah right. I think managers need to be given more choices and consequences for their choices, not more concrete restrictions.

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223669.12 in reply to 223669.1
Date: 8/17/2012 2:47:03 AM
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There is no need to do something against causing Walkovers. Just take away the reasons why someone intentionally causes a WO, e.g. race for 5th place: you caused a walkover - sorry mate, you're gonna have to pay the players salaries during the playoff weeks.

From: Fonzi

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223669.13 in reply to 223669.11
Date: 8/17/2012 2:56:13 AM
UK Wildkitties
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Have you ever seen a lucky fan go nuts and score in bunches? The ones I came across always had a horrible effiecency rating. That is the consequence of fielding three players or less. Personally, I don't see that as a restriction of my freedom to manage or coach.
It would also have a positive side effect: Every team in the league has to manage its minutes for three full games a week. There will be no one team that gets to save its minutes for the other two games or a predetermined amount of minutes in case of the other team's walkover.
It doesn't punish the opponent either. He can play his trainees in that game.

On the other hand, penalizing the walkover teams financially will surely hurt them and maybe serve to prevent a walkover the next time. But a purely repressive approach doesn't take away the negative aspects for the other teams that are punished without reason.

From: Axis123

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Date: 8/17/2012 3:02:04 AM
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Have you ever seen a lucky fan go nuts and score in bunches? The ones I came across always had a horrible effiecency rating. That is the consequence of fielding three players or less. Personally, I don't see that as a restriction of my freedom to manage or coach.
It would also have a positive side effect: Every team in the league has to manage its minutes for three full games a week. There will be no one team that gets to save its minutes for the other two games or a predetermined amount of minutes in case of the other team's walkover.
It doesn't punish the opponent either. He can play his trainees in that game.

On the other hand, penalizing the walkover teams financially will surely hurt them and maybe serve to prevent a walkover the next time. But a purely repressive approach doesn't take away the negative aspects for the other teams that are punished without reason.

Actually very good points. Thanks.

From: CrazyEye

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Date: 8/17/2012 3:06:44 AM
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It doesn't punish the opponent either. He can play his trainees in that game.


often walkover come without an announcement. And the minute distribution is at least weird.

From: Mr AD

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Date: 8/17/2012 3:34:11 AM
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if that's the case, then every team must not be allowed to be given a walkover. if Team A wants to personally lose, there are other ways to lose a game without giving a walkover. plus, it is a big incentive for Team B because he can at least distribute his minutes like a normal game.

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