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From: Eagle

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244798.6 in reply to 244798.1
Date: 6/25/2013 12:18:28 AM
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Like this idea.

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244798.7 in reply to 244798.6
Date: 6/25/2013 3:25:13 AM
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Well, the ISO usually says where you isolate your guy. If you want your Guard to take inside shots, you usually don´t set him up at the low post or at the base line, because he doesn´t have the space to move around nor to pick up speed there. So you´d rarely see a Guard doing inside shots when you isolate him INSIDE.

If you want to get your guard driving, then you usually set him up in an outside isolation, where he can either move around or drive by his defender with speed or shoot if the defender gives a step too much room.


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244798.8 in reply to 244798.7
Date: 6/25/2013 5:06:31 AM
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I don't understand :-\
If I choose inside isolation, is because I want people to shoot in the paint, right? So what I expect is that big men (better at shooting inside) will shoot most of the shots, right? Instead even little men shoot a lot, even more than big men... that's something I don't get.

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244798.9 in reply to 244798.8
Date: 6/25/2013 6:53:11 AM
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I don't understand :-\
If I choose inside isolation, is because I want people to shoot in the paint, right? So what I expect is that big men (better at shooting inside) will shoot most of the shots, right? Instead even little men shoot a lot, even more than big men... that's something I don't get.


It make perfect sense. Inside isolation is basically throwing the ball to your best inside shooter and waiting for him to create his own shot. And typically, big men aren't exactly overflowing with driving and handling, so when they get the ball in a non-prime shooting position, they won't be able to drive past their guy to get a good shot so they'll either launch a bad shot, pass the bal off, or turn it over.

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244798.11 in reply to 244798.7
Date: 6/25/2013 8:44:00 AM
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Well, the ISO usually says where you isolate your guy. If you want your Guard to take inside shots, you usually don´t set him up at the low post or at the base line, because he doesn´t have the space to move around nor to pick up speed there. So you´d rarely see a Guard doing inside shots when you isolate him INSIDE.

If you want to get your guard driving, then you usually set him up in an outside isolation, where he can either move around or drive by his defender with speed or shoot if the defender gives a step too much room.



That's just it, I'm not talking about guards driving, I'm talking about guards and their inside shot. You rarely see it because there isn't an offense that focuses on it. And I think there should be, especially since there are offenses that focus on big guy's jump shots.

If you can run something like patient that exploits opposing big men's OD because your big's JS, you should be able to exploit opposing guard's inside defense with your guard's inside shot.

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244798.12 in reply to 244798.9
Date: 6/25/2013 8:44:18 AM
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I don't understand :-\
If I choose inside isolation, is because I want people to shoot in the paint, right? So what I expect is that big men (better at shooting inside) will shoot most of the shots, right? Instead even little men shoot a lot, even more than big men... that's something I don't get.


It make perfect sense. Inside isolation is basically throwing the ball to your best inside shooter and waiting for him to create his own shot. And typically, big men aren't exactly overflowing with driving and handling, so when they get the ball in a non-prime shooting position, they won't be able to drive past their guy to get a good shot so they'll either launch a bad shot, pass the bal off, or turn it over.

Ok, so what if I have a PG with 10 IS (which I have)? Why doesn't he receive the ball in the paint or take position in low post, trying to exploit a mismatch? The point is: I expect someone (whoever he is) to be ISOLATED for an inside shot. I expect big men to be isolated the most, and it's not happening apparently. I expect even PGs/SGs to be isolated below... but apparently even this doesn't really happen. I do understand that not every possess can be turned into an inside isolation, but seriously... 15/20 threes? 6mt jump shots? I don't know... I need to play this more (or see this played) because it doesn't seem right to me.

From: natellio

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244798.13 in reply to 244798.10
Date: 6/25/2013 8:52:49 AM
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Have you never heard of the LI offence????
LOL


No! Maybe I'll try that.

Ugh.

Last season I was strictly a LI team. My starting PG and SG combined for 258 shots. Only 22% of which were inside shots, with 45% being either jump shots or 3's.

Look Inside does not focus on guard's IS.

Maybe it does more than motion or RNG, or maybe even neutral offenses, but not like what I'm talking about.

From: natellio

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244798.15 in reply to 244798.14
Date: 6/25/2013 9:55:23 AM
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A lot of what you wrote are good points. I disagree with plenty (guards posting up more than 1-2 times a game being unrealistic as an example) and was never talking about the guards posting up against the opposing bigs (even though the BBs have made it clear that height only changes training speed, and has no effect in the GE). Admittedly, a good zone could stop this offense pretty easily, the same way a good 3-2 can stop patient.

But, your points about the unrealistic salary are valid and I would be on board for your idea in #4.

I still think this is a tactic that would be welcomed and could have a place without making it unrealistic, but thanks for at least not responding with a sarcastic question you knew the answer to..

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