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If possible something like this would be a good idea, as a lot of this stuff is currently done informally.

However I don't think it solves the problem you are supposedly having with your own U21 team. If an U21 manager isn't setting proper line-ups then they probably aren't going to appoint assistant managers to help them. Unless you are talking about electing assistant coaches via community vote, which I wouldn't be a fan of.

In the end if a "bad" person gets elected then it is going to cause issues, and it's hard to avoid that. All you can do is try to persuade the community to elect someone better next time. Or in the meantime find another nation where you can learn while helping them build their national team.

Yes, I completely agree with you. I wouldn't want anyone interfere with my job if I become a NT manager.

The coach and the assistant have to work together, so only coach will choose the assistant. And, btw ......if a coach doesn't want assistant or doesn't trust anyone - he will not be forced to put one. He can be the chosen one, the one and only and just lead the team without assistant ;) But if I become coach for example ...I want to have assistant and discuss with him with the type of chat I mentioned about.

And about my country you are wrong ...because if the coach has no good results - I wonder if the problem is the coach or if the problem are players :) When the coach put assistant then we can see different opinion and we can judge better where the problem is exactly. Even he can change 2 assistants and to see 2 more different pisitions over the qualities of the team for example.

Also, for example our new coach doesn't write in the forums ....so we may want him to put an assistant who will be more active in the forums for example.

Also one positive - with assistant it's a little bit more like a team job ..and I think it could also form better local communities in the game.

I don't think it's a practical suggestion. What's the main aim of this suggestion? What are you trying to solve?

From your first post it sounds like you're not happy with the people elected into the U21. But then you give them power to select their own assistant coaches, which (even worse) is optional. Doesn't sound like it would change a thing. Your new NT coach doesn't write in forums, and it sounds like he doesn't even set lineups some times, why would he even elect an assistant who will write forum posts for him?

The "different opinion" thing won't work either. What happens if the NT coach does not agree with the assistant? Will the assistant be able to force his way by sending in the lineup 16 minutes before game time?

Not sure if you're aware, but some NTs have scouts, some communities have open tactical discussions on their NT matches. All these are already happening, so there's really no need for an optional assistant coach feature. If your NT coach doesn't already have an assistant or scout working with him, or if he's not already discussing with another user on how to play the next game, chances are he won't have anyone to fill that slot as well.

Also, for example new managers like me can become assistant coaches for example and to see how exactly things happen in the national teams and such managers then will be prepaired to lead the national teams.

You can already do this now. Approach the NT/U21 manager, ask if they need a scout. If they don't, try approaching NT managers of other countries. Plus, if your local NT/U21 doesn't have match reports, write for them. It'll put you in the spotlight, increasing your chance to win an election in the future. This is probably the best way to get NT exposure as a new manager.

I am just giving arguments and possible options so everyone to have the right option for himself :) I just told in the first comment how the need of assistant came into my head... but them if I want some kind of change I don't think only for myself but also to be good for more people. So, for me more options is better than no options. I have no problem between coaches with assistants and coaches without assistants - you just have this option available and you decide if you want assistant.

Just some people work better all alone ..and other are more communicative, so that's why I prefer assistant to be optional.

Also, of course assistant can change the line-up. That's one of the reasons for assistant! If assistant see that the coach missed to put line-up for the match, the assistant can do it. Also, assistant can make tactics for friendlies and give the coach a little bit of rest. Also, they can decide which functions to have the coach and the assistant. It is possible assistant to communicate with development of players for example.

Assistant just make the things at another level for me. It gives you many more options and I don't see a problem at all. I even don't understand why you have problem with this topic so much. If assistant change the line-up for a game without your permission, you will just fire him as assistant. It is more than obvious the coach is the main person, and assistant just helps and supports. You will put assistant you can trust right? If you don't trust anyone - just don't put assistant.

Also, if a coach goes to hospital or something, he can give the rights to his assistant to lead the team until he comes back.

And maybe you have topics in forums and some nations discuss everything there, but assistant gives you different options and possibilities. And you can change 10 assistants during mandate. It's decision of the coach.

I think it will make national teams more attractive than now.

Assistant just make the things at another level for me. It gives you many more options and I don't see a problem at all. even don't understand why you have problem with this topic so much.

Don't take this personally, I hope you understand that not everyone is going to agree to your views, especially one made on a whim without much understanding of the game. Look at it as an opportunity to elaborate and expand your suggestion further.

That said, I am just pointing out the redundancy of your suggestion, as most "benefits" you listed out are replicable as it is. So far the only "plus point" you brought up was the ability to set lineups, which, like I mentioned, is a two way sword. In overall, I don't see it moving any needles or improving this game in any way other than in the very rare chance something bad happens to the NT coach. It's not worth the resources spent to implement a feature which doesn't have much impact. This is one thing you have to keep in mind when pushing for a suggestion - for this suggestion to work, you might need an extra page for NT settings, they also need to program it so that NT coaches can grant other users NT coach permissions on demand. All that for saving a rare chance that the NT coach forgets to set the lineup or being admitted into the hospital? In case you're afraid of NT coaches going inactive, iirc there's already a feature which replaces them when their team goes bot.

To add on to convincing people why this feature is important, you might also want to discuss about what else the assistant can do. Will they be able to call up players? Will they have full access to NT coach features, or less? If they have the same powers, what differentiates them from the main NT coach then?

Again, I hope you don't take this negative, but rather take this as a chance to look at your suggestion in depth and improve it into something useful.

I think it could be a good idea about scouting: when you've to view more than one hundred players (in big Nations) in a few time is very hard to be alone. If you have an assistant coach he can help you. We are talking about "head of scouts" more than "assistant coach".

I don't think it's useful about setting tactics, it can create only problems. The coach is responsible about lineup and results, not his assistant.

It's my opinion obviously.


Last edited by legolas2018_NIG U21 NT at 5/2/2023 6:40:57 AM

Yep, it is strange even for myself that I react in more personal way :) But I really don't see any problem with the opportunity for assistant coach :) Maybe I will not convince you, so we will just stay at different positions obviously :)

The one and only negative I see is - it can be hard to implement it in the game. All the other things in my head are just positive and you can't convince me the opposite. I will not repeat all the arguments I gave already previously. But I don't claim that I developed the idea at 100% ....the idea is assistant coach to be made - what rights he will have is not decided at 100% .....if you ask me about moving players IN and OUT of the team - it sounds reasonable assistant coach NOT be able to do that!!!

But I think to set a line-up is must have option!!! It is very strange that you are talking all the time that assistant will act against the coach.... I see it more like a team job ...coach will make assistant only an user he trust in :) I really don't see a problem.... If the coach doesnt trust anybody - he will not put assistant coach and thats it :)

For example I will put Bulgarian coach and I don't believe he will act against my nation ....but if I decide to make assistant from French coaches for example, if I have match between Bulgaria and France - I can put him out of assistance to have a rest a little bit and then put him back as assistant :)

It is not something that is frozen and things can be very movable.... for example coach may give the right to the assistant to make line-up for friendlies if the assistant sees that in the day of the match the mark about already made tactic is missing... It's all about negotiations betweet coach and assistant and if there is a problem between them... obviosly the coach will fire his assistant :)))

@ legolas2018 [ITA U21] - you are talking different thing here :) I am really talking about assistant coach which is able to set line-up also......... it is also possible the scout position to be implemented also but I see more benefit from assistant-coach ;)

btw .........as you are talking about problems to set line-up .....now an idea appears in my head - what about the national coach to have the option to choose the rights his assistant will have ???? He could lock the option for setting line-up for his assistant :))) He could unlock it when friendlies come for example.... I believe with options for the coach to choose the rights of the assistant everyone will be happy... or not??

It is a great idea. Assistant coach would be nice to also call/kick players, if the head NT coach doesnt trust anyone, he/she can simply avoid appointing an assisstant coach. If nobody likes the idea of an assistant coach setting the lineup, calling/kicking players only, would be a nice feature. .

Last edited by Cobra Kai at 5/2/2023 9:52:59 AM

For my personal feel, having Assistant coach does improve the game experience.

A concept that I will propose (is an idea thou)

Elected Assistant Coach
- Happen right after head coach being elected. This give player a chance who failed to be head coach to try to bid for assistant.
- Period will be 1-2 weeks depend on the design. As he need to be on board the duty as soon as possible.
- Elected head coach has 2 votes compare to the rest with 1 vote. Assistant coach supposed to be someone whom the head coach can work with.
- Head coach can use the speech forum to let others to understand why that person is suitable to be your assistant.
However, to prevent unfair hiring, ultimately decision still lies on everyone to agree on it and everyone can try to be assistant.

Assistant Coach can do.
- can works as scout whom can bookmark "potential" player to assistant in shrink the list of players for the nation. This also help to relieve some of head coach task. With a smaller pool, head coach can plan up his backup plan B, C or D
- Can propose line up and game tactics for every game. This give assistant a chance to experience if you are a head coach.
Head coach line up setting will have a link to show pop up view what has the assistant propose. Head coach can use that as a reference or go ignore him.
- Can help to search for scrimmages game. As head coach might have real life duty caught up to him.

Game design
- If head coach decides to become inactive, assistant coach will automatically prompted to be head coach and manage the team till end of the season.
- If head coach did not submit a line up for the game, assistant coach line up will be used instead.
- Have a section at the team overview page with the list of players who become assistant over the seasons.

Idea for this concept.
- Head coach can scout for potential successor as some head coach wish to step down unable to do so due to lack of successor.
- Other players can use the assistant coach history section to see if that guy is worth to lead the NT/U21 in future. This help the assistant coach to have better chance to be head coach as he has proven record.
- Gives player to wish to try/ experience what it takes to be a head coach for the NT/U21. Some players really have no idea how NT/U21 works and go in blind. (e.g. Me.)
- Assistant coach can be used as a supervisor to see if head coach is really doing the job.

Finally
- If the head coach wishes to go solo. He can ignore voting, ignore propose line up, do his stuff as the current game design.
- At the end of day, head coach is still the main guy to lead the team, assistant coach only can propose and hands on if head coach decide to let him be.
- For communication wise, can reply on existing feature like the mail system

Yep, it is strange even for myself that I react in more personal way :) But I really don't see any problem with the opportunity for assistant coach :) Maybe I will not convince you, so we will just stay at different positions obviously :)

The one and only negative I see is - it can be hard to implement it in the game. All the other things in my head are just positive and you can't convince me the opposite. I will not repeat all the arguments I gave already previously.

Not sure if my English is that bad that you totally did not understand me, or did you just ignore my whole reply because you think I'm trying to force you to change your mind *facepalm*

Did you see what LDS did? He gave out more detailed suggestions on how to make things work? If you read my reply properly instead of ignoring it because you took things personally, you would have saved yourself from that redundant wall of text and actually didn't have to wait for him to get the ball rolling. I tried prompting you to throw out ideas to improve on your suggestion.

That said, I'll continue the discussion from his post.

Last edited by BuzzRBeater at 5/2/2023 11:22:42 AM