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Thanks for the insights Yellow Cake and EBW.

Yes, I agree that this can be quite subjective and might be tailorable to each trainers taste (also depending on starting skills I guess?).

Personally I take the same route as you both, 1v1 first, then OD. I agree with Yellow Cake on the fact that such players be game ready earlier (playing a high JS outside player at C with reverse patient is always better than playing a high ID C at PG during season 2), and I kinda feel it might be more economical too because you're actually using those skills at reverse patient while the high ID C at PG isn't really maximizing his salary. But it just makes me wonder if the ID first training is a faster one if we don't take salary and playability into account.

I actually do a pressure training when the DR/HAND are 5 levels above the OD level.

That said, I personally practice something similar to this as well (tho not necessarily 5 levels). Not because I want them game ready as soon as possible. But rather because I don't want negative elastics on my DR caused by OD (is this a thing?). Just wondering if there is a sweet spot where DR isn't too high but high enough to pull OD faster. I tend to drag the gap bigger for taller players tho.

If you want a defender with low JS/IS (for salary and/or potential reasons), you should consider training Handling instead of 1v1 G to keep DR/JS low. Prevents them from taking shots away from your scorers too, without sacrificing flow.

Furthermore I've read conflicting reports about elasticity; one theory says the effect caps at 4 levels difference, but I've recently read another that says the effect keeps increasing with higher levels difference. I haven't read much about the negative effects of elasticity, but I assume it should be equal to the positive effect. However most just take that with 1v1 training since it trains so quick anyway.

I personally stick to 4 levels difference also for performance, but it depends on your situation.

Ah, I think that must explain why some managers are too stubborn and insist on training their driving to legendary. I guess it's just not common knowledge

Yes, having your DR too high and OD too low will cause your DR to train slower the more you train it. Negative elastics exist. However the relation isn't exactly that straightforward. If I'm not wrong, some skills like passing do not have negative elastic effects on other skills despite being positively affected by driving. I think you should be able to check it via coach parrot.

If you train a skill that's much higher than other skills, it will get slowed down by the elastic effect. (Source: (144856.38). Note that it's an old source, don't remember if there were more that talked about the negative effect but I thought it was commonly accepted. Don't know if it was ever proven.

Wow … completely new information for me.

Doesn‘t sound unlikely.

I haven't experienced it either, but I do wonder where the idea came from that it does exist. Or maybe it's something that should work but doesn't?

You don't have to sell it to me ;) I was just wondering how these opposing ideas come to live, taking into account that this game has (had) multiple aspects that do not actually work as designed/described.

If there's a negative elastic effect, creating aspiration would have no interest because the positive effect would be canceled by the negative one. But it's a fact that training, for example, 1on1 until 20 DR, then OD until 20 is much better than training both skills at the same time.

You're looking at the wrong place. Basically negative elastic effects work like this: if you have two players: 16 DR and 12 OD and 16 DR and 3 OD, the first player will pop to 17 DR faster, because the DR-OD gap isn't as far as the latter. Meanwhile the latter will have much faster OD training compared to the former.

I agree that it is a fact that OD trains faster when you hit 20 DR before training OD. But are you sure that you aren't training DR at a slower pace?

I guess to answer this we might have to run coach parrot and see which hits 20 DR 20 OD at an earlier pace.