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How do I figure out the rankings?

I measure salary against the average for each category and then assign a point value based on that. What are the categories, you ask? Well, Buzzer-Manager supplies these numbers for us, and the categories I pull through are as follows:
- Total Salary
- Top 5 Salary
- Top 8 Salary
- Top 10 Salary
- Top 6-10 Salary

Of those categories, I weigh Total Salary the highest, followed by Top 6-10 (what I call "bench play" but that's mostly a figure of speech), and then Top 5 and Top 8 are weighted equally, with Top 10 weighted the lowest. Here's how it works (based on Total Salary):
Team Total Salary > League Total Salary Average + $100,000 = 60 points
Team Total Salary > League Total Salary Average + $50,000 = 50 points
Team Total Salary > League Total Salary Average + $25,000 = 40 points
Team Total Salary > League Total Salary Average = 30 points
Team Total Salary < League Total Salary Average = 20 points
Team Total Salary + $25,000 < League Total Salary Average = 15 points
Team Total Salary + $50,000 < League Total Salary Average = 10 points
Team Total Salary + $100,000 < League Total Salary Average = 0 points

And so on and so forth for each added category. Top 6-10 is weighted from 0-50, Top 5 and Top 8 are weighted from 0-30, and Top 10 is weighted from 0-15.

Once I have those set, I add each team's score up and divide by five and then you get the means by which I rank teams. Is it perfect? Nope! Is it normal? Not even! Does it make it more fun? I sure hope so!

Here's a quick example of how it works related to Total Salary. The average total salary (currently!) is $277k.
- King of the Desert has a total salary of $399k, which is more than $100k than the average, so they score 60 points in that category.
- BC Paunch has a total salary of $285k, which nets them 30 points because it's less than $25,000 more than the average.
- Meanwhile, Polemistes lands at $149k, which even if you added $100k still falls short of the average, meaning they score 0 points.

Clear as mud? Great. Any ties are broken by the Top 6-10 rank (of which there were three this year). This looks like it is going to be an interesting season, with a couple of clear cut leaders and then a middle third that will look to bludgeon each other and a bottom group that has to figure out how to contend. But the great thing about this is that things will change drastically especially as roster moves are still on the horizon. So, it's important to note that 13 potential transfers out of the league, with only two of those being (not that) BIG (of) MOVES (two players with salaries of $14k or higher). And that doesn't include anyone bringing anyone else in.

My usual disclaimer: I'm not a scientist, but I am a dork who can't get enough of this dumb game, thus my predictions.

Last edited by Baine at 9/24/2024 2:27:15 PM

So basically with 2 100+ players and a bunch of fodder you can be at the top but having pretty balanced team won't be that high.

So, yeah, I guess it could be like that, though in the 10 seasons I've done it, I haven't quite encountered that scenario. But that's also why I give added weight to players 6-10...I suppose I could boost it more, but for my purposes, it seems to be fine. Plus, it's mostly just a general idea and its better when its wrong...just like the sports pundits on TV.

Day 2 (Tuesday 24 September 2024) : Performances by (https://www.buzzer-manager.com)

Night results
The Force 109 - Etoile Sportive Cote Basque 124
18ers 119 - Utopia Streptiv 123
Polemistes 65 - BC Paunch 101
Da Vinci's Lobsters 86 - King of the Desert 119
Niespełnione Talenty Stefana 2 II 93 - The Rebellion 78
TaZmaNian_DeviLs 103 - 25nudos 107
pirulos tropicales 78 - Plateas Junior 69
Antequera C.B 37 - Berekuso Jacanas 105

Best collective performance of the evening
Points : 124 : Etoile Sportive Cote Basque
Rebounds : 81 : Utopia Streptiv
Assists : 40 : Etoile Sportive Cote Basque
Steals : 15 : Berekuso Jacanas
Block Shots : 17 : Berekuso Jacanas

Personal best performances of the evening
Points : 40 : A. La Hoz (King of the Desert)
Rebounds : 28 : E. Buenfil (Utopia Streptiv)
Assists : 14 : K. Avery (Etoile Sportive Cote Basque)
Steals : 5 : A. La Hoz (King of the Desert)
Block Shots : 6 : C. Nelson (Berekuso Jacanas)

Top 5 of the evening
Point Guard : A. La Hoz (King of the Desert) (40 Points, 9 Rebounds, 3 Assists, 5 Steals, 0 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 37
Shooting Guard : G. Shultis (25nudos) (28 Points, 6 Rebounds, 7 Assists, 0 Steals, 0 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 26
Small Forward : P. Remédios (The Force) (37 Points, 11 Rebounds, 4 Assists, 1 Steals, 0 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 34
Power Forward : E. Buenfil (Utopia Streptiv) (24 Points, 28 Rebounds, 6 Assists, 1 Steals, 3 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 45
Center : N. Ntalaras (Etoile Sportive Cote Basque) (16 Points, 11 Rebounds, 4 Assists, 2 Steals, 2 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 31

MVP of the evening
E. Buenfil (Utopia Streptiv) (24 Points, 28 Rebounds, 6 Assists, 1 Steals, 3 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 45

The bad performance of the evening
A. Braiji (Da Vinci's Lobsters) (17 Points, 2 Rebounds, 2 Assists, 0 Steals, 0 Block Shots) : Efficiency : -8

All kinds of statistics
The player who forgot to remove his mittens : A. Braiji (Da Vinci's Lobsters) : 9 Turnovers

Player targeted by the referees : N. Petropoulos (18ers), A. Braiji (Da Vinci's Lobsters), M. MacEachern (The Rebellion), Y. Kim Hui (TaZmaNian_DeviLs) : 6 Personnal Fouls

The iron-man : V. Pavlyk (Utopia Streptiv), E. Buenfil (Utopia Streptiv), K. Koumaditis (18ers) : 58 Minutes

The shooter : K. Avery (Etoile Sportive Cote Basque), M. Scharkey (18ers) : 6 Three points

The best performer : S. Ozeri (Berekuso Jacanas) : Rating : 15.5

The worst performer : J. Jacques (Antequera C.B) : Rating : 3.0

Agree, the scenario I described looks like some corner case, but generally it should be pretty close to actual power ranking.

Day 3 (Saturday 28 September 2024) : Performances by (https://www.buzzer-manager.com)

Night results
25nudos 48 - 18ers 133
Plateas Junior 83 - Antequera C.B 116
BC Paunch 100 - The Force 88
The Rebellion 94 - Polemistes 98
Berekuso Jacanas 91 - TaZmaNian_DeviLs 102
King of the Desert 98 - Niespełnione Talenty Stefana 2 II 86
Etoile Sportive Cote Basque 103 - Da Vinci's Lobsters 113
Utopia Streptiv 85 - pirulos tropicales 105

Best collective performance of the evening
Points : 133 : 18ers
Rebounds : 68 : Etoile Sportive Cote Basque
Assists : 43 : 18ers
Steals : 24 : 18ers
Block Shots : 12 : 18ers

Personal best performances of the evening
Points : 39 : L. Ulbrich (Utopia Streptiv)
Rebounds : 24 : M. Roura (The Rebellion)
Assists : 14 : D. Matei (18ers)
Steals : 7 : D. Matei (18ers)
Block Shots : 4 : R. Khelifi (The Rebellion)

Top 5 of the evening
Point Guard : B. Romero Sánchez (pirulos tropicales) (32 Points, 12 Rebounds, 2 Assists, 2 Steals, 1 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 41
Shooting Guard : K. Trakys (TaZmaNian_DeviLs) (38 Points, 5 Rebounds, 7 Assists, 0 Steals, 0 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 37
Small Forward : D. Matei (18ers) (27 Points, 4 Rebounds, 14 Assists, 7 Steals, 3 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 44
Power Forward : M. Roura (The Rebellion) (18 Points, 24 Rebounds, 0 Assists, 3 Steals, 2 Block Shots), M. Constantin (Da Vinci's Lobsters) (24 Points, 11 Rebounds, 3 Assists, 0 Steals, 2 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 35
Center : Z. Chin To (TaZmaNian_DeviLs) (19 Points, 22 Rebounds, 1 Assists, 0 Steals, 2 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 34

MVP of the evening
D. Matei (18ers) (27 Points, 4 Rebounds, 14 Assists, 7 Steals, 3 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 44

The bad performance of the evening
R. El-Abbadi (25nudos) (4 Points, 5 Rebounds, 2 Assists, 0 Steals, 0 Block Shots) : Efficiency : -15

Triple-Double of the evening
K. Avery (Etoile Sportive Cote Basque) (20 Points, 11 Rebounds, 11 Assists, 0 Steals, 0 Block Shots)

All kinds of statistics
The player who forgot to remove his mittens : A. Guerrera (25nudos) : 9 Turnovers

Player targeted by the referees : A. Mendes (25nudos) : 6 Personnal Fouls

The iron-man : J. Haas (Etoile Sportive Cote Basque) : 53 Minutes

The shooter : Á. Pérez (Antequera C.B), A. Gryf (Antequera C.B) : 7 Three points

The best performer : M. Scharkey (18ers) : Rating : 19.5

The worst performer : A. Guerrera (25nudos) : Rating : 2.5

Day 4 (Tuesday 1 October 2024) : Performances by (https://www.buzzer-manager.com)

Night results
Niespełnione Talenty Stefana 2 II 108 - Etoile Sportive Cote Basque 62
Antequera C.B 65 - Utopia Streptiv 100
Da Vinci's Lobsters 108 - BC Paunch 115
Polemistes 71 - King of the Desert 102
The Force 95 - The Rebellion 117
TaZmaNian_DeviLs 83 - Plateas Junior 71
pirulos tropicales 60 - 25nudos 89
18ers 98 - Berekuso Jacanas 87

Best collective performance of the evening
Points : 117 : The Rebellion
Rebounds : 66 : BC Paunch
Assists : 31 : 18ers
Steals : 11 : Berekuso Jacanas
Block Shots : 12 : BC Paunch

Personal best performances of the evening
Points : 34 : W. Mathiasson (Etoile Sportive Cote Basque), B. Herceg (BC Paunch)
Rebounds : 23 : M. Roura (The Rebellion)
Assists : 9 : T. MacCooish (Niespełnione Talenty Stefana 2 II), K. Skabickas (BC Paunch)
Steals : 5 : C. Marone (Berekuso Jacanas)
Block Shots : 6 : B. Herceg (BC Paunch)

Top 5 of the evening
Point Guard : A. Braiji (Da Vinci's Lobsters) (28 Points, 2 Rebounds, 4 Assists, 0 Steals, 0 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 28
Shooting Guard : M. Zeuren (Plateas Junior) (28 Points, 2 Rebounds, 3 Assists, 0 Steals, 0 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 24
Small Forward : R. Cope (The Rebellion) (32 Points, 6 Rebounds, 4 Assists, 0 Steals, 1 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 38
Power Forward : B. Herceg (BC Paunch) (34 Points, 21 Rebounds, 1 Assists, 3 Steals, 6 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 47
Center : K. Wei (Niespełnione Talenty Stefana 2 II) (12 Points, 16 Rebounds, 4 Assists, 0 Steals, 1 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 30

MVP of the evening
B. Herceg (BC Paunch) (34 Points, 21 Rebounds, 1 Assists, 3 Steals, 6 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 47

The bad performance of the evening
A. Gryf (Antequera C.B) (2 Points, 5 Rebounds, 0 Assists, 1 Steals, 0 Block Shots) : Efficiency : -9

All kinds of statistics
The player who forgot to remove his mittens : B. Herceg (BC Paunch), R. Perutavicius (Da Vinci's Lobsters), C. Wetzel (pirulos tropicales) : 5 Turnovers

Player targeted by the referees : C. Sokhi (Antequera C.B), F. Altera (BC Paunch), J. Estose (Da Vinci's Lobsters), A. Braiji (Da Vinci's Lobsters) : 6 Personnal Fouls

The iron-man : A. Braiji (Da Vinci's Lobsters) : 51 Minutes

The shooter : W. Mathiasson (Etoile Sportive Cote Basque) : 8 Three points

The best performer : M. Roura (The Rebellion) : Rating : 17.5

The worst performer : K. Rifai (Etoile Sportive Cote Basque) : Rating : 4.0

Day 5 (Saturday 5 October 2024) : Performances by (https://www.buzzer-manager.com)

Night results
Antequera C.B 91 - 18ers 101
Berekuso Jacanas 102 - Utopia Streptiv 87
Niespełnione Talenty Stefana 2 II 110 - The Force 94
pirulos tropicales 87 - TaZmaNian_DeviLs 100
Polemistes 81 - Da Vinci's Lobsters 96
BC Paunch 81 - King of the Desert 108
Etoile Sportive Cote Basque 93 - The Rebellion 95
25nudos 72 - Plateas Junior 84

Best collective performance of the evening
Points : 110 : Niespełnione Talenty Stefana 2 II
Rebounds : 59 : Da Vinci's Lobsters
Assists : 31 : Niespełnione Talenty Stefana 2 II
Steals : 9 : Etoile Sportive Cote Basque, The Rebellion
Block Shots : 7 : Berekuso Jacanas, King of the Desert

Personal best performances of the evening
Points : 37 : G. Shultis (25nudos)
Rebounds : 17 : M. Roura (The Rebellion)
Assists : 13 : H. Sarkisyan (Berekuso Jacanas)
Steals : 4 : X. Küpers (pirulos tropicales)
Block Shots : 4 : S. Ozeri (Berekuso Jacanas)

Top 5 of the evening
Point Guard : R. Rasmussen (The Force) (19 Points, 10 Rebounds, 10 Assists, 1 Steals, 0 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 34
Shooting Guard : W. Mathiasson (Etoile Sportive Cote Basque) (33 Points, 4 Rebounds, 2 Assists, 3 Steals, 0 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 29
Small Forward : R. Cope (The Rebellion) (29 Points, 11 Rebounds, 1 Assists, 3 Steals, 1 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 36
Power Forward : M. Roura (The Rebellion) (19 Points, 17 Rebounds, 1 Assists, 1 Steals, 0 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 27
Center : S. Ozeri (Berekuso Jacanas) (13 Points, 11 Rebounds, 1 Assists, 2 Steals, 4 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 28

MVP of the evening
R. Cope (The Rebellion) (29 Points, 11 Rebounds, 1 Assists, 3 Steals, 1 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 36

The bad performance of the evening
R. Beauvais (The Force) (0 Points, 12 Rebounds, 0 Assists, 1 Steals, 0 Block Shots)G. Giuliato (Polemistes) (0 Points, 0 Rebounds, 1 Assists, 0 Steals, 0 Block Shots)A. Koval (The Rebellion) (1 Points, 1 Rebounds, 0 Assists, 0 Steals, 0 Block Shots) : Efficiency : -5

Triple-Double of the evening
R. Rasmussen (The Force) (19 Points, 10 Rebounds, 10 Assists, 1 Steals, 0 Block Shots)

All kinds of statistics
The player who forgot to remove his mittens : P. Pardalakis (The Force) : 6 Turnovers

Player targeted by the referees : N. Petropoulos (18ers), J. Ramos García (25nudos) : 6 Personnal Fouls

The iron-man : L. Mantilla (Antequera C.B), Á. Vieira (18ers), V. Odesyt (Utopia Streptiv), H. Sarkisyan (Berekuso Jacanas), P. Pardalakis (The Force), B. Romero Sánchez (pirulos tropicales), S. Sulima (King of the Desert), A. La Hoz (King of the Desert), K. Avery (Etoile Sportive Cote Basque), M. MacEachern (The Rebellion) : 48 Minutes

The shooter : B. Romero Sánchez (pirulos tropicales), W. Mathiasson (Etoile Sportive Cote Basque) : 7 Three points

The best performer : M. Scharkey (18ers), N. Hung (King of the Desert) : Rating : 17.5

The worst performer : J. Ramos García (25nudos) : Rating : 4.0

So, yeah, I guess it could be like that, though in the 10 seasons I've done it, I haven't quite encountered that scenario. But that's also why I give added weight to players 6-10...I suppose I could boost it more, but for my purposes, it seems to be fine. Plus, it's mostly just a general idea and its better when its wrong...just like the sports pundits on TV.

With latest changes in game engine, balanced teams should be weighted more.
You need to put a decent 5 start players on the field, so if you have 300K starters it is way harder to beat a 70+70+60+50+50 than 100+90+90+10+10

You rated my team 12, before I sold some of my players, but last season with less budget because my trainees were way below the salary you used for calculation, I made the playoffs.

Anyway, thank you so much for your exceptional contribution.

Best.
Surfrer

This is a fair point, but I think the thing being missed is the point value comes from the distance from the league averages for each category. If you have a $300k total salary and the league average is $300k, there's not going to be a big discrepancy. I suppose the argument would be for more of a "Top 3" to be included and weighted less...that might even be better than a top 10 since most teams generally put 7-8 players in a game. At any rate, I do appreciate the feedback - something more to think about if I decide to retool it. You should have seen how crappy it was clear back in the early season 50's!

Day 6 (Tuesday 8 October 2024) : Performances by (https://www.buzzer-manager.com)

Night results
King of the Desert 133 - Etoile Sportive Cote Basque 56
TaZmaNian_DeviLs 93 - Antequera C.B 92
The Force 97 - Polemistes 129
Da Vinci's Lobsters 80 - Niespełnione Talenty Stefana 2 II 104
The Rebellion 84 - BC Paunch 93
18ers 70 - pirulos tropicales 86
Utopia Streptiv 101 - 25nudos 107
Plateas Junior 79 - Berekuso Jacanas 108

Best collective performance of the evening
Points : 133 : King of the Desert
Rebounds : 63 : pirulos tropicales
Assists : 38 : King of the Desert
Steals : 12 : King of the Desert
Block Shots : 9 : pirulos tropicales

Personal best performances of the evening
Points : 37 : K. Skabickas (BC Paunch)
Rebounds : 25 : J. Ventulett (King of the Desert)
Assists : 12 : R. Kacergis (King of the Desert)
Steals : 4 : F. Altera (BC Paunch)
Block Shots : 4 : J. Davenne (Etoile Sportive Cote Basque)

Top 5 of the evening
Point Guard : J. Lobry (Polemistes) (19 Points, 7 Rebounds, 3 Assists, 1 Steals, 0 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 24
Shooting Guard : J. Płonowski (Polemistes) (34 Points, 3 Rebounds, 4 Assists, 1 Steals, 1 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 39
Small Forward : C. Puiggené (Niespełnione Talenty Stefana 2 II) (34 Points, 7 Rebounds, 5 Assists, 2 Steals, 0 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 37
Power Forward : J. Ventulett (King of the Desert) (28 Points, 25 Rebounds, 4 Assists, 1 Steals, 3 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 51
Center : F. Aguiar de Luque (25nudos) (19 Points, 15 Rebounds, 7 Assists, 2 Steals, 3 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 36

MVP of the evening
J. Ventulett (King of the Desert) (28 Points, 25 Rebounds, 4 Assists, 1 Steals, 3 Block Shots) : Efficiency : 51

The bad performance of the evening
K. Rifai (Etoile Sportive Cote Basque) (4 Points, 2 Rebounds, 5 Assists, 1 Steals, 2 Block Shots) : Efficiency : -4

All kinds of statistics
The player who forgot to remove his mittens : W. Mathiasson (Etoile Sportive Cote Basque) : 7 Turnovers

Player targeted by the referees : A. Gryf (Antequera C.B), A. Rajeckis (Antequera C.B), G. Romero Ruiz (The Rebellion) : 6 Personnal Fouls

The iron-man : L. Urreche (25nudos), E. Buenfil (Utopia Streptiv), A. Zorzano (25nudos) : 53 Minutes

The shooter : J. Płonowski (Polemistes) : 8 Three points

The best performer : B. Romero Sánchez (pirulos tropicales) : Rating : 18.5

The worst performer : K. Rifai (Etoile Sportive Cote Basque) : Rating : 4.5