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Well, economy aside you took scrimmages from play off teams. That's not good. Scrimmages can be important and be cornerstone of someone's strategy. And there could be major problems regarding game shape. This could even influence bench structure and number of players on roster for some teams. I think it shouldn't.

Regarding the economy and extra money for the extra playoff game: I don't see it as an issue, the teams in the playoffs have usually higher expenses. The only change is that the losing semi finalsits definately gets an extra game, and the possibility of 2 extra games. The final is still best of 3 so there is no change to the income. This could be seen as a detreiment to the teams not involved, I prefer to see it as a reward to the teams involved.

The GM's could come up with a system where teams not in the finals get a season ending one off payment - call it from the Buzzerbeater balancing fund or something. This could be on a sliding scale or the same amount for each team not competing in revenue games after the last game of the season.

Regarding the losing of scrimages: This is a mangement game, the teams in the finals you would expect to be the better managers in the league. Managing your team, your bench, playing and resting starters, team balance, scouting the opposition and using your whole bench is what it is all about as far as I am concerned. If mangers simply put their starters out every single game, then rest them all in the scrimages, I don't see how that stretches managers in their team management skills. Balancing game shape, having a 2nd string centre in and resting your starter wile playing a team with a focus on outside shooting, playing a different tactic in offence and defence and balancing your team line up to that is what I think the finals is all about.

The finals should be a battle between the best managers and how they use tactics. I know in season 5 I lost a PO game that my players and form would have said I should have won, but my opposition out thought me, played better tactics, managed his team better and won. That is how I beleive this game should be played.

If this game is to reflect in any way the challangs of manageing a basketball franchise, I have never heard of a professional league anywhere in the world, where a scrimage game is played in the middle of the playoff series so starters can have a rest. If there is one please let me know.

Regarding the economy and extra money for the extra playoff game: I don't see it as an issue, the teams in the playoffs have usually higher expenses.

So?

Extra playoff games give playoff teams an unfair economic advantage and create too much of a gap within divisions.

This is not a reality. It's game. Arguments about reality are irrelevant to some extent.

I don't see how that stretches managers in their team management skills

It is not about what you see or don't see. Or what I see. Owners have different strategies, some are questionable, some are great and some are hard to understand. You cannot argue that different approach shouldn't be considered before a change because you think it is dumb or it is a proof of lack of skill. Owners play the game within limits given by the rules.

I can imagine a team which would rather have a scrimmage and not a (meaningless) play off game. Some teams can be off "win now" mode (as it happens in your beloved reality btw) and still can make play offs (no relegations worries, well reasons can differ, simply it can happen easily). I think there are many motivations in this game which would be surprising for many of us. Taht doesn't mean that this opportunities should be cut only because they are dumb, extraordinery etc.

I think every such a change should be weighted carefully in which it would bring into the game.

OK, fair whack,

but what do you think of my suggestion re the economy??

The GM's could come up with a system where teams not in the finals get a season ending one off payment - call it from the Buzzerbeater balancing fund or something. This could be on a sliding scale or the same amount for each team not competing in revenue games after the last game of the season.


OR

skim a bit off the top of each playoff game and use that as the 'balancing fund'.

That way the teams competing get slightly less per game and don't get the same size economic advantage, and the teams not playing in revenue games in the off season get a one off payment.

Below is a suggested finals schedule
4/11 - round 1 PO
7/11 - round 2 SF game 1
8/11 - round 2 SF game 2
11/11 - round 2 SF Tie Braker
14/11 - Final game 1
15/11 - Final game 2
16/11 - Final Tie Braker

If someone doesn't have a chance to login daily and adjust the tactics for the rest of the series properly? I wouldn't want to be forced to do that - the schedule shouldn't be that tight.

That being said, I prefer the current system.

I am only suggesting that 2 scrimage games in the playoff season, and only for the relevant teams. Teams not involved in the playoffs still get the option of booking a scrimage game if they want to. And the teams that are in the semi finals and/or finals of the playoffs can easily throw a game if they want to by playing the trainees or bench players. There is nothing stopping a manager from using any game, cup, regular, playoff or scrimage, to suit their particular motivation and plans. The only difference with the scrimage games is that they affect nothing, it is a free spin so to speak.

Now we know we are talking about non reality because they never throw games in reality :P

I agree that changes need to be weighted carefully (this is starting to sound like the arguements I had when I was a prosecutor) and the affects they bring into the game both good and bad considered.

I seek out a scrimage game every week because of the training/playing time benefits - but this is not about me...or is it :P

I am after a serious think about it and robust discussion - I think I may have found it :-)

do they care but like god they arent giving things freely or openly feeding you like a baby.

its all there you just have to do what needs to be done to get it.

some people has the effort or ways to get the biggest amount in short time some would take them longer. all im saying is they arent cops to level the playing field always for you or even act like zorro or robin hood that everytime you feel you being afflicted something is done.

sorry mate! as much as im concern as basketball it is, your given the ball, the rim is in front of you, but you got someone defending it . . . . what do you need to do to score. :D

So?

Teams in the playoffs already gain an economic advantage compared to the teams who finish fifth or eighth. BB doesn't focus on balancing divisions anyway so I don't see this as a problem. I've been in a league now the last 3 seasons where my division is vastly superior to the other division. Yet, when the new season starts the weaker teams still remain in the other division. I know this is a little off topic but the point I'm trying to make is that BB doesn't seem to care much for balancing things as is evidenced by how much stronger the best teams keep getting as opposed to newer teams.

When I refer to divisions, I refer to D.I, D.II, etc.

I refer to the Big 8 & Great 8 as conferences.

As far as the teams that make the playoffs already having an economic advantage, that's my point - giving them even more playoff games would exacerbate that.