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57642.6 in reply to 57642.4
Date: 11/13/2008 3:52:15 PM
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What is:
... an E-bay style bidding market?


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57642.7 in reply to 57642.6
Date: 11/13/2008 4:05:36 PM
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where people wait till last second to bid like crazy. Not sure if it's still the same right now. Maybe not because they have auto-bidding right now.

But they used to wait till last second to bid for an item. I even heard cases of scripting to get the last bid.

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57642.8 in reply to 57642.7
Date: 11/13/2008 4:21:07 PM
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The main reason is that the player should go for the Manager who gives more money for him, and not for the one who is quicker or with better Internet connection.

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57642.9 in reply to 57642.3
Date: 11/13/2008 4:55:09 PM
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The extension definitely should be there, however I believe that if a person has not even bid once before the original auction time expires they should not be allowed to join the bidding afterwards. I have been in situations where I have been still bidding on a player 30 minutes after the initial time expired when suddenly 2 ir 3 new bidders enter the auction. You should not be able to show up llate and still get into the bidding.

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57642.10 in reply to 57642.9
Date: 11/13/2008 6:06:29 PM
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How you would recognise what was original auction time? That would lead to making a bid in last minutes (preferably with 2:59 to go) to prevent other from joining the auction and to confuse them. In addition it would be purposelessly difficult to distinguish between original time and new deadline which could happen to be only few second different very easily.

Most importantly a) prizes could go unnaturaly higher because people would like to bid "in time" b)auctions could be decided in few first hours worse minutes and it would be more about who would find the player soon enough which is not fair for not hardcore users and users with different time than seller. And could be more abusive too, (this is assuming a fix reasonable prize of a player and that nobody would overbid significantly)
or even c) everybody would bid in last minutes which could cause troubles when 10 people bidding at the same time with the same bid (this could happen now too but you can be more relaxed knowing if someone would make a bid you have +3 minutes, there is currently no fixed deadline to make a bid)

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57642.11 in reply to 57642.10
Date: 11/13/2008 7:13:01 PM
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having the three minutes gives more room for psychology. You could minimum raise for a few bids, then let it run close to the three minutes and go in 10 x minmum bid higher to try and p1ss the other guy off etc. If all you are doing is minimum bidding, you are not using the full array of negotiating tactics available to you

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57642.12 in reply to 57642.11
Date: 11/13/2008 8:30:03 PM
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That's not about me. That's common. And that's motivated by paying only necessary amount of cash. And it is forbidden to overbid above certain value (to prevent abusive transfers of money). After all it all about humans.

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57642.13 in reply to 57642.3
Date: 11/13/2008 9:22:50 PM
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Plus daytrading will be more effective because you can just chip in and buy low priced players more often.


Then I would like to concur with the original poster ;-)

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57642.15 in reply to 57642.14
Date: 11/13/2008 10:15:11 PM
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no worries...

i am actually in agreement with the current system... there is no reason a bidding war should go on for 1hr... this would imply that 2/3 + managers are just trying for a bargain which in most cases is unlikely to materialize.

when you start bidding on players at the 1.5mil + range it doesnt take long with 2% increments to finish the auctions... if you are trying to pick up a player for $50k thats worth $300k then to get the bargain you have to accept you may have to be online longer to gain that benefit.


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57642.16 in reply to 57642.10
Date: 11/13/2008 11:53:41 PM
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How you would recognise what was original auction time?


Are you serious? I don't think I even need to answer this.

a) prizes could go unnaturaly higher because people would like to bid "in time"


This makes no sense at all. Why would people pay more for a player because they had to bid before the initial expiry?

b)auctions could be decided in few first hours worse minutes and it would be more about who would find the player soon enough which is not fair for not hardcore users and users with different time than seller.


I can't believe that you think 3 days is not long enough for "hardcore users" to find a player oin the transfer list. It is actually better for the players who log more time because they are more likely to have seen the player. This point is just absurd.

And could be more abusive too,


Please elaborate, because I have no idea why you come up with that.

c) everybody would bid in last minutes which could cause troubles when 10 people bidding at the same time with the same bid


It already happens the way things are now.

this could happen now too but you can be more relaxed knowing if someone would make a bid you have +3 minutes, there is currently no fixed deadline to make a bid


Clearly you do not understand my point at all. The 3 minutes would still be there, but you would be required to have at least begun to participate in the bidding before the auctions initial time limit expires.

I think it is petty reasonable to expect that if someone is interested in a player they should try be there when the auction expires, or at the very least have entered a bid already. You claim it is unfair to expect this, but I believe it is unfair to the people who bid before the deadline to allow people to decide to join 30 minutes after it could have ended.

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