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Solomon, I recently acquired in order to have a 3rd serioud trainee. What is it about him, in particular, that makes him a weak trainee

He does have good height. Potential only really becomes an issue if he's being trained really well and has nice skills for his age. For an almost 20 yo with skills that are ideal for a newly minted 18yo the potential likely wont be realized. I misread his skills at first, thinking he was awful in passing, but thats his id.

Overall i guess he's not the worst trainee, but his JS is so low (and i rate that pretty high for guards) that he wouldnt be someone i would focus on.

Bernard and DelaRosa, I knew were weak. Bernard I was trying to see if I could create a "Dirk Nowitzki" type of player. He is 7' afterall.

Prob is that his inside skills aren't very good and as a 7' he will train most of the guard skills extremely slow.

Id raise prices a little in every area and/or expand if the money is there. If your selling out you're losing potential revenue.

When it comes to changing prices and expanding, better to make smaller changes and do many smaller gradual expansions.

edit - i just copied over and pasted all my previous responses to this thread and deleted them from the other thread.

I have been doing 2 position training. I recently stumbled onto Coco's plans for doing single position training. In the past, I've had a difficult time of making sure that 2 players received 48 minutes at 1 position.

I am perfectly happy and willing to focus on Mina and Mays for the time being. My question can become more of a generic one: At what point is a player too old to be trained? Mina is 21 and while he's far and away my best player, I had thought/planned that at the end of this season, I would be selling him and reinvesting in my team elsewhere.

If I'm focusing on 1 position training, then the question begs, is Solomon good enough to keep as my 2 guard and would he benefit from spot play at pg when by some stroke of luck Mina and Mays both get 48 minutes in the 2 league matches.

Really, I know my team needs upgrades in a variety of areas. I'm just wondering what is more economical in terms of BB. Training or League Advancement? A more specific version of this question. Do I promote to Division III this season? Or do I lose in the championship on purpose in 3 games?

In the past, I've had a difficult time of making sure that 2 players received 48 minutes at 1 position.

If you start Mina in both games at PG with mays as backup and say mays only gets 16 mins after to the league games, you can still start mays without any backups in the scrimmage.

At what point is a player too old to be trained?

Hard to say, and likely depends on your ambitions. I'm training 22/23/23yo players cuase they still have training left in them and I need their quality at the d1 level. Ideally I'd prefer they were 22 or under as they do seem to go slower at 23 (though, that might be due to them approaching the cap?). The younger you can afford to train while not compromising your teams ability the better.

is Solomon good enough to keep as my 2 guard and would he benefit from spot play at pg when by some stroke of luck Mina and Mays both get 48 minutes in the 2 league matches.

Solomon might be ok if you're going to play inside, but with JS of 3, he's not very useful with neutral or outside offenses. If i'm training him its only, at most, to get a couple pops or so and sell to make some kind of profit.

I'm just wondering what is more economical in terms of BB. Training or League Advancement? A more specific version of this question. Do I promote to Division III this season? Or do I lose in the championship on purpose in 3 games?

Definitely go to III if you can. It's one of the nice things about BB compared to HT, in every case Ive seen its been better to promote.

Okay so in unanimous fashion, you two say PROMOTION is the proper way to success in BB.

That being said, if I'm going to focus on Mina and Mays as my primary trainees and the rest of the parts are interchangeable.

Do I wait until I find out where I'm going to land in Division III to size up my competition? Is my team so far behind the 8-ball, that I can't mess up my improvements because for the type of player I'll need in the next series compared to what I'll have now, there's no mistaking?

Here's a generic question. I have attempted to find Big men that can do Big men type stuff. Rebound, ID, IS, SB. Do I care if they can handle the ball or pass? Do I care if they have an outside shot? Likewise, with particular attention to Mays, Do I care that he can't rebound?

Do the teammates all need to be Multi-talented players or can the whole of the team be greater than the total sum of all the parts?

Coco said

I'm still convinced you can make it to II and avoid relegation there without a strong front-court.

This is probably still true and I know that it was true at one time (I believe both Digging for Change and myself are/were guard trainers). The 2-3 zone helps a lot and let you get by with just enough front court (rebounding and inside defense).

I'd like to bring this post over from the other thread as there are a few things within it that I'm going to ask for clarification. You said:

Some general observations, since brianjames covered the training department:

1) selling out every order of seats is not a good idea. you need to find a spot where you're almost selling out, but not quite. otherwise you may lose money from what you could otherwise be making.

Is there an arena calculator out there? Its clear that I've been on a winning streak this season. Assuming promotion, however, the same will not be said for my first season in D III. Do winning and losing affect sell outs? It sure seemed to in my early season games.

2) moreover, with the playoffs coming up, you could probably have kept them high and got high returns during the POs (I think officially there is no special PO-bonus, but they are counted as TV games which brings some extra crowd: not to mention they are games in which you face division leading teams). Other than that, I think your arena (perhaps with a few extra expensive seats is in a good position to start III).

Too late for this approach now as the season ends in the middle of the month and playoffs won't take much longer than that. Is there a traditional down turn of interest in the team at the beginning of the season? In other words, do I need to wait and see if I can get on some kind of run in June before I raise my prices again in July?

3) I don't like Sankovic at PF. I would sell him (if you can), and try to get something like this (I'm posting a scrub from my team, just for an example):

Jump Shot: mediocre Jump Range: pitiful
Outside Def.: mediocre Handling: average
Driving: respectable Passing: average
Inside Shot: respectable Inside Def.: proficient
Rebounding: respectable Shot Blocking: awful
Stamina: respectable Free Throw: proficient

or better. Or maybe a triple strong or better (IS, ID, RB) with fewer secondaries.

Why wouldn't I be able to sell him? Also, I'm looking at your guy and seeing someone who is more talented all around than the guy you're suggesting I dump. Your player can rebound, play defense, shoot, drive and pass. My guy is a rebounder who can play defense. Period, end of story. Isn't there going to be a distinct difference in price for these two types of players. Also, doesn't his strong rebounding compliment my team's weakness. I have plenty of guys who can do the other things (score, etc) but not many than can rebound like this guy.

4) Your roster screams to me R&G. That means, in effect, a mix of R&G and Balanced attack (PTB when you want to blow out an opponent, BO if you want to spare your players), because you want to keep opponents guessing.

I like an uptempo kind of game. So yes, my team is designed to play that way. Also, my league is full of weaker teams so I can pretty much play any style of offense I want and so long as I'm playing the defense appropriate to stop their strengths, I win.

5) In that connection, JS awful on an SF is a huge limitation. Your SF will take a lot of shots. Your secondary priority, after replacing the PF should be to replace the SF.

My SF is respectable x 6 with avg rebounding. Based on your comments regarding my PF, I'm almost thinking my SF could be the replacement for my PF. How much will his being 6' 3" affect his ability to play that position? He's 27 so I won't be training him. He'll be a guy to sell/fire at some point next season and depending on the approach I decide to take on Mina, the 21 yr old PG.

6) 44.5k staff: what staff do you have? and what salary? I have lvl. 5 coach, lvl. 5 doctor and lvl 2 PR and spend 46k (I used to spend 34k when I first got them).

Covered this in my overview post and BB-mail. With the buying system, what do I do? I don't want to spend money to stay the same.


And, of course, thank you for your help.

What time does training occur? I switched training at the last minute from handling pg/sg to pressure pg because my 2 main trainees had more than 48 minutes at PG.

Mina popped to proficient in Driving.


*by last minute I mean 8:00 pm EST.

Training happens at 6:10AM Eastern on Friday mornings.

Pressure training can give you a pop in driving. Here's the list of trainings and corresponding skills: (381.1)

Last edited by dhoff at 5/8/2009 7:55:29 AM