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31707.60 in reply to 31707.8
Date: 5/22/2008 4:06:07 AM
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It has already been incorporated into the game. The skills are absolute.

Imagine your 5 YO brother was the world's fastest 5 YO. You want him to be rated as legendary. But then when the GE tried to calculate his time for the 100 m, it is going to have to consider both his age and skill.

Instead, BB might give him a speed rating of pitiful. Then when figuring out his time for the 100 m, it just has to take into account the rating, and not his age.

When generating players, taller players will tend to be be given higher inside skills, and shorter players better outside skills. In addition, taller players will train faster at insider skills, and shorter players faster at outside skills. So there will be correlation between height and skills, it just won't be absolute.

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31707.61 in reply to 31707.60
Date: 5/22/2008 7:24:29 AM
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that has no connection to taking advantage of the mismatch. I have a center who has 10 rebound 10 inside scorer and is 7'2 and was out rebounded by a 6'4 player. i played look inside and if i was on the sidelines he would have scored 40 points or forced the other coach to make a sub. and if he could not out rebound him then he would have gone yo the bench for my backup.

I'm not saying players cant play out of position but you have a few players in the world that can play at a professional level out of position and stand on there own as starters. Teams can play their players however they want but their should be some kind of reasoning behind it. If you have a respectable rebounder at point guard does not mean he will be a small forward so the GE should take their listed position with their height into affect.

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31707.62 in reply to 31707.61
Date: 5/22/2008 9:01:22 AM
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There's nothing stopping you from playing him at PG, and his listed position will not affect his performance.

As far as your 10-10 rebounder is concerned, if the other team has better rebounding skills than yours, he will be outrebounded no matter what. This is almost a universal truth in BB, and it reflects very well the fact that rebounding is a team skill, which stems from the ability of your players to control the space in the paint once the shot goes up.

I don't quite understand what your problem is. You want height, which is an untrainable skill and is absolutely out of the control of the manager, to have an effect in the game? I think that BB has found an extremely clever way to implement height effects in the game while preserving balance and allowing for more interesting gameplay. This is _definitely_ not broken, and I don't see why you're trying to fix it.


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31707.63 in reply to 31707.61
Date: 5/24/2008 2:38:16 AM
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What does the height of your player have to do with it? The player is a "respectable" rebounder PERIOD.

If the other player was a "mediocre" rebounder, and was outrebounding your "respectable" rebounder, then that is something that perhaps should be addressed by the game engine.

There is simply no reason to separate out height as a separate skill.

ps I can't find the game where a 6'4 guy outrebounded your 7'2 center (assuming it is Agresta).



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31707.64 in reply to 31707.63
Date: 5/25/2008 3:59:15 AM
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Yeah. The basketball game is not a competition of "who is taller?" The game engine doesnt have to ask that question, and it really shouldn't. Imagine the game engine asking: "How tall is the player?", "How fast is he?", "How high can he jump?", "How well can he box out his oponent?", etc. No, that's ridiculous. We would have 100 skills per player.

The question it asks is "Who will get this rebound?" and to answer that it exists the skill of rebounding, which is there to represent all of this in a simple and summarized way. And it is clear that height is one of the things considered inside the skill of rebounding, because of how the training works.

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31707.65 in reply to 31707.63
Date: 5/25/2008 7:42:13 AM
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First off i dont know where you got thr idea that he is a respectable reboundser. Secondly the game is (4434136) and the player was (3063542)

No matter how good of a rebounder he is he would also have to be able to box him out as well which means he needs to be strong. When people here give examples of the Bruno Sundov they forget that he might have been tall but he never was able to rebound at any level so then an inept center against a strong guard woud make sense. But a srtrong guard and a strong center has to have a secondaty adjustment to the rebounding. The rebounding bothers the least about this argument. When my center gets the ball down low against his defender who is 10 inches less he should be a ble to get his shot off fairly easily and that should improve FG% the same way that playing against a bad low post defender. I'm not saying that becasue he is tqall he should get a ll the rebounds but he should have a few more when playing someone half his size if he is already a good rebounder.

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31707.66 in reply to 31707.64
Date: 5/25/2008 7:47:16 AM
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who ever said it was a competiotion. I enjoy this game allot and would like some things to improve or to be gotten rid off. The question should not be who gets the rebound. The game should add positions to players with their weight. Then if you want to tell me the 6'6 center who weighs 250 is a good rebounding centeer then that makes sense. When you tell me their are 6'4 players and less dominating rebounding being guards and saying that is ok because he is a prominent rebounder. A prominent rebounding guard should not always be beter than a strong rebounding center. They have different skill sets for their positions and we should not let every player play out of position with no casualties.

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31707.67 in reply to 31707.66
Date: 5/25/2008 8:09:49 PM
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That 6'4 guard had to train more to get to prominent rebounding though. Maybe it wasn't the most efficient choice for that player. Either way, why should slower training be further punished by lower performance, despite their skills.

Dennis Rodman was 6'7" and an amazing rebounder, who also worked really hard to become a good rebounder and defender. Same with Ben Wallace, 6'7".

These heights aren't as extreme, but is few inches really that big of an issue for the BB's to be focusing on?

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31707.68 in reply to 31707.67
Date: 5/25/2008 8:46:28 PM
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but is few inches really that big of an issue for the BB's to be focusing on?


No, of course not.

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31707.69 in reply to 31707.65
Date: 5/26/2008 2:27:25 AM
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Oh I'm sorry, he is a prominent rebounder PERIOD. And wow, he was outrebounded by 1.

Your team dominated the boards (52-41) despite a 2-3 zone for the Warriors. Ibm-Shafiq had 5 fouls so he was pushing against "Money Boy" Agresta who was playing in their gym. Agresta despite all the attention was still able to shoot 60% and freed up the rest of his teammates for more of the scoring. It looks like "Money Boy" Agresta is more of a team player than you would like. You sound more like his agent, than the team owner.


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31707.70 in reply to 31707.67
Date: 5/26/2008 2:41:18 AM
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Rodman and Wallace are the minority in real life. And here we are letting everyone make their weird mismatches the majority

You got to know when to hold em, know when to fold em, Know when to walk away and know when to run. You never count your money when youre sittin at the table. Therell be time enough for countin when the dealins done.
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