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Date: 2/16/2017 11:13:42 AM
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Today is Steven Bradbury's gold anniversary.

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Date: 2/16/2017 11:48:07 AM
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Yes of course, but the point is : "if you have no chance to win... Play CT". As Manon said, it's better to stay in the race with no enthusiasm that being eliminated with a high enthusiasm. But of course if you think you have a chance to win in normal, play normal. I don't know a lot of managers who will think Netherland had a chance in normal vs Italy...
That is only if you ignore there are another 4 rounds after that.


It's not random, it's fully calculated from the world ranking, between pot 4 and pot 5 the schedule is very different and for 2 teams, that will play for 1 position in the world ranking. I don't know if I'm clear...
Makes sense. It's a normal draw therefore Holland moving from 26th to 23rd might guarantee a slightly easier group stage (4th tier vs 5th tier).

So this is a valid argument to crunch that game for me. The others: not quite.

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Date: 2/16/2017 1:02:32 PM
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But about coaching this game didn't exactly show what you said. A "1 time win by luck" (because that's, at least to me, is what we're talking about) doesn't prove that your coach did something cool.


You're right there. It was not super fancy. He played the best strategy he could with the players he had. And that strategy was quite predictable if your coach would have done some minor research.

So you are right, it was not necessarily our coach that dod amazing. It was yoir coach who did aweful. He totally underestimated his opponent, which he is known to have done before. Just a little bit of research would make it quite clear what the options of NL wpuld have been. He could have anticipated that. AND with his enth at give or take 15 he could have played normal the rest of the tournament and probably have won with the strong team and home advantage you had.

So I feel sorry for the Italian community that you have this coach.

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Date: 2/16/2017 1:33:19 PM
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So you are right, it was not necessarily our coach that dod amazing. It was yoir coach who did aweful. He totally underestimated his opponent, which he is known to have done before. Just a little bit of research would make it quite clear what the options of NL wpuld have been. He could have anticipated that. AND with his enth at give or take 15 he could have played normal the rest of the tournament and probably have won with the strong team and home advantage you had.



Can't agree with that statement. Look at route to the final of the #1 seed and the #4 seed. Italy would have to beat Czech Rep in quarterfinals for example. Czechs are probably one of the strongest teams in the torunament, and (provided that they will be able to knockout Georgia on TiE, which is not plausible, but still possible) if Italy played normal with Netherlands and Serbia, Squadra Azurra would lose their advantage over Czechs (due to lost enth), which would lead to their exit in quarterfinal.

Please notice that Netherlands, despite their losses with Denmark and Belgium, still were one of the strongest unseeded teams in top 32. However, they still were much, much weaker, than the rest of Italy's potential opponents in next rounds (Serbia in top 16, Czech Rep in top 8, Greece in semis, and finally, Bosnia/Poland in final) - therefore, they had to focus on next rounds.



Last edited by Siwy at 2/16/2017 1:34:18 PM

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Date: 2/16/2017 3:06:04 PM
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But about coaching this game didn't exactly show what you said. A "1 time win by luck" (because that's, at least to me, is what we're talking about) doesn't prove that your coach did something cool.


You're right there. It was not super fancy. He played the best strategy he could with the players he had. And that strategy was quite predictable if your coach would have done some minor research.

So you are right, it was not necessarily our coach that dod amazing. It was yoir coach who did aweful. He totally underestimated his opponent, which he is known to have done before. Just a little bit of research would make it quite clear what the options of NL wpuld have been. He could have anticipated that. AND with his enth at give or take 15 he could have played normal the rest of the tournament and probably have won with the strong team and home advantage you had.

So I feel sorry for the Italian community that you have this coach.


Strongly disagree, for what is worth.
When you create a 99-1 W/L situation there is no way you can be considered poor.
Being unlucky does not mean you did something wrong. There was no underestimation I think, simply a fair analysis on the fact that NED was too way behind ITA. And that's what team ratings and matchup ratings displays. Clearly.
Then you won, congratz again, but TIE was the right choice. About the prediction, I'm with you when you say he should have set at least external focus but we're talking about details in a match we should have won by far.

But what can I say, opinions are opinions, I respect your one, you picked up a huge win and it's not in my mind to underestimate the great result you achieved.

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Date: 2/17/2017 6:40:06 AM
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Even if you're right and they are seeded (which in the 30s and 40s I do not believe), I'd take the chance of playing a few extra games than winning the first and having next to no chance of progressing further to improve my team's ranking by 1 or 2.

Nederland U21 looked like the only team trying out there.
Ireland U21 looked like the only team trying out there. And they have lost (40820)
Barbados U21 looked like the only team trying out there. And they have lost (40822)
Argentina U21 looked like the only team trying out there.
Al Jazair U21 looked like the only team trying out there.And they have lost (40826)
Peru U21 looked like the only team trying out there. And they have lost (40827)
Österreich U21 looked like the only team trying out there. And they have lost (40829)
România U21 looked like the only team trying out there. And they have lost (40831)
Colombia U21 looked like the only team trying out there. And they have lost (40832)
Ecuador U21 looked like the only team trying out there. And they have lost (40833)

10 CT on 16 games


8 of these teams lost ...... are we sure that CT is a decisive tactic?
If CT is decisive Peru and Romania should have easily win




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Date: 2/17/2017 6:58:12 AM
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You're a funny guy!! ;-)

I really appreciate your explanations on the Dutch victory......
Maybe you believe that the Netherlands won because they played with more .... heart!! :-D

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Date: 2/17/2017 7:15:13 AM
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Chile also CT Portugal, and won! (CT vs normal).

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