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Date: 9/3/2020 4:59:04 AM
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4 skills (season 49) and became a national player, this week's likely jump in JR
More comedy, eh. You claiming you 'train' is just like the guy, who installed the aircraft warning lights, claiming he 'built' the Burj Khalifa...

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Date: 9/3/2020 5:35:35 AM
Venomous Scorpions
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I trained 2 players who earned most point against mloty . I choose good tactics againt others ... what I bought with money ? :D we have many micro nations in buzzerbeater ... why others cant win B3 like me ? :D

I must buy a Tshirt and write on it: Why always me ? :)))) (like balotelli)

Everybody judge me , but anybody cant performance like me :))))

Last edited by Misagh at 9/3/2020 5:36:10 AM

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278646.617 in reply to 278646.615
Date: 9/3/2020 1:51:33 PM
Vilkiukai
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Vilkiukai II
Haters always gona hate.

I remember you winning the first one. There are so many oportunities to win B3, all of the micronations...who have better finances, even bettern than you do in Iran. All the big nations, who have competent managers, who made into the top in a very big competition.

And still, we have no Lithuanian to win B3, we have basicly very few micronations to win B3. Whats the matter? The decisions matter, the tactics also do. These days people seem to be too absolute, like the discussion bellow with the training. There can be so many different ways to train the players, for example Drakonza example. And the managers here does not even understand that and still yell that their chances are unfair.

People these days grab one tactic, one thought, grab into it fail, and complain that everyone else is cheating lol. Why welfare training cannot be a thing? why late training half a season cannot be a thing? They only know the lvl 7trainer failing financial train lol.

Drakonza making constantly great decisions, you used to, and seem too also. Worthy oponents of each other.

Yes, i agree that their chances are unfair, only because their shortsighting and overconfidence and to some a degree stupidity. What a bullshit BB had become, i am wondering every day since i returned here.

Gratz on the title !

Last edited by Vilkai [LTU NT] at 9/3/2020 1:55:39 PM

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278646.618 in reply to 278646.614
Date: 9/3/2020 2:24:00 PM
Młoty Stargard
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I wrote that train players and it is so
the difference is that someone can train one player 10 seasons
someone else is training 10 players and one season each, or 5 players 2 two season each
I can't afford to train 18 year olds in polish league, now trained PF on SG and it hurt me a lot in the semi-finals PO

in real life small clubs train juniors
large clubs finish training and use their ready skills


Last edited by darkonza at 9/3/2020 3:32:02 PM

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Date: 9/3/2020 6:52:29 PM
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Not sure what you are ranting about: Darkonako's explanation was kind of obvious. In order to win (I mean EASILY win) in this game you need to have a better team. To have a better team you need assets: cash, players, staff and anything that costs money. The guys in this final are emblematic of how you can easily do that.

Option 1: tank and accumulate cash before buying and running a higher payroll than other people. Misagh has done that twice in the past at the B3 level, so he's not new to this. In fact, they changed the rules to make it harder after his second run. This option is just very boring, it seems like he mixed it up with some training this time, but training actually harms this strategy, because it costs money, it doesn't make you money. Needless to say this strategy is harder in nations with more levels of competition because tanking with no consequences is not possible there.

Option 2: instead of buying a high payroll, buy an average payroll that costs you twice as much to acquire. Now, because of the cash restrictions a new team will not be able to match an established one at this strategy, as you cannot spend 35 million on 7 players in 1 season...because you can't have 35 millions in the bank. The key there is to keep making money in every way you can and update the roster before your players lose too much value. This strategy is even worse than the first: it requires to diligently scout the transfer list and spend a lot of time on the game, whereas the first only requires you to log in sporadically for many seasons. Unlike option 1, where the losses due to the high salary will catch up to you, this strategy can be sustained if you can dedicate enough time.

These 2 managers have been better than others at these strategies, especially Darkonza, but the fact of the matter is very few people play the game this way and only this way. And you can see Darkonza plainly admitting that training while competing is too difficult for him. As if many more managers, even in Poland, didn't do precisely that. The majority of people just don't play the game that way and thank god for that, otherwise we wouldn't have trained players.

If you want to talk about overconfidence and arrogance, let's talk about Darkonza non using GDP in the final, as he probably thought he had a good chance without it. If he was banking on Misagh going for a GDP guess despite him having the stronger team, the conclusion on overconfidence and arrogance is pretty much the same. Frankly, if the spanish guard, who had 20 JS and 15 JR and 20 IS at the beginning of the season (he's 34yo), doesn't hit 5 3 pointers and scores 39 on 21 shots, the game is a blowout; and if Misagh goes with LI instead of LP, it is lso a blowout (more FTs and even more rebound opportunities), but at least him going LP to avoid a double GDP guess made sense.

Finally, training. Without training there would be no players. Would you say that someone who gets 85 pops and good sublevels, training mostly out of position, is the same as a guy who trains Stamina, GS and FT half the season and does some primary training with a subpar Trainer in the other half getting a few pops on account of high sublevels? If so, you'd probably also admit that writing a tweet and writing a 600 page novel are basically the same thing: they are both writing. Or that Boeing and a skateboard maker are compsrable competitors as they both produce transportation vehicles.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 9/3/2020 7:01:24 PM

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Date: 9/4/2020 6:11:33 AM
Młoty Stargard
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The majority of people just don't play the game that way and thank god for that, otherwise we wouldn't have trained players.

If everyone stopped training, the one who started training would win
it is about looking for the best path in a given situation, the situation is changing, the strategy is changing

If you want to talk about overconfidence and arrogance, let's talk about Darkonza non using GDP in the final, as he probably thought he had a good chance without it. If he was banking on Misagh going for a GDP guess despite him having the stronger team, the conclusion on overconfidence and arrogance is pretty much the same.

Misagh could play any tactic, thought - I had little chance of hitting GDP, was counting on him to make a mistake
my team is seen as "only LI" and I was hoping it would influence on Misagh's decision
especially since he used GDP in the semi-finals
especially since he only has two strong big men and the injury of one or six fouls could kill him
were You arrogant in this game? (110940414) or this(110940406)
looking for arrogance in the game strategy is madness!



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Date: 9/4/2020 6:27:14 AM
Młoty Stargard
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The key there is to keep making money in every way you can and update the roster before your players lose too much value.

I accept huge loss of value
and I sell it when this value starts to go down more slowly
the problem is skill drop
at the highest level in B3, a 2-point drop in defense can change everything
if I didn't play B3 would keep players longer because at the age of 35-36 it loses less value than before, and the skills drop wouldn't hurt so much

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Date: 9/4/2020 6:35:04 AM
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my team is seen as "only LI" and I was hoping it would influence on Misagh's decision
And therefore I said this:
If he was banking on Misagh going for a GDP guess despite him having the stronger team, the conclusion on overconfidence and arrogance is pretty much the same.


You arrogant in this game? (110940414) or this(110940406)
looking for arrogance in the game strategy is madness!
First game I was the superior team (like Misagh) had no need to gamble, especially since my opponent does not use GDP much. The second game I had no chance irrespective of whether my opponent played Inside Iso o inside: less Enth, no HCA and giving up 150k salary and 3 million DMI. When it mattered I GDP'd (111927969), but unfortunately his 180k Polish PF played half the game with 5 fouls and despite the game being fairly close in the 4th, I still lost.

Surely you can do better than this, if you are such a tactical and scouting wizard as people claim.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 9/4/2020 6:37:50 AM

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Date: 9/4/2020 6:46:23 AM
Młoty Stargard
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The second game I had no chance

if you play with the stronger team, you don't give GDP because you don't have a chance
how do I play with the stronger team and I don't give GDP, is it arrogant?

Surely you can do better than this, if you are such a tactical and scouting wizard as people claim.

in choosing GDP I am an average player in this game



Last edited by darkonza at 9/4/2020 6:49:31 AM

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