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I think the point is that we need to have clear targets for the managers who train for the NT. If we set the policy that bigs need to have decent passing, and that we don't care as much if the Inside D is above 13, then that is what the trainers will train. We all have to be on the same page. NT managers can't just cross their fingers and hope. Now, I'm not saying that's what you are doing, and I understand that you can only do the best with what you are dealt.

However, since the England team is out of any serious international contention, now might be a good time to take stock of what we have and get everyone on the same page. Encouraging us to train big men with horrible secondaries and HoF potential is a waste of time because in 2 years, when they are half decent, the current crop of 23 year olds will be much better and that HoF player won't even make the NT.

sands-pierson is one of our higher potential prospects yes, but his limitations are clear to see.

sands-pierson is one of our higher potential prospects yes, but his limitations are clear to see.

that is exactly what i ment. and maybe i sounded patronising, but i dont like it when people are comparing apples with pears or with bananas. this is why i was perhaps aggresive towards the other guy, but i know i was right. it is always easier to stand on the side and criticise the coaches, but if you dont really know what we got to offer player wise, it would be nice players keep their criticism to themselves or perhaps listen to advice from the NT coach.

lvl 9 JR for a PF or 7 or 8 OD, elmacca you know it very well and perhaps even better than me. we dont have such players on our squad and even with 2 full seasons out off position training we dont have such players. the same counts for lvl 8 or 9 for passing on bigs.

i am working very hard with several coaches to bring our NT forward. but if someone believes he can do a better job, I am more than happy to let them.

and using the plans and ideas off a league team coach is in my opinion bound for disaster. why? because in the league noone has 5 200k players as starters in their team. The better NTs do and they have 10 such players. lvl 10 or 11 ID will not work vs a 300k salary big.

but i am not like some others saying they are wrong. because in buzzerbeater there are many ways to succes. if someone think they can do a better job with the NT. than they can run the NT. but they better do a better job than I will do and put more time and effort into the NT than I have and will. or else I will be really disappointed..... but if someone can pull such an idea off and do a better job than me, than i am the first willing to admit it and to step down and let the "better" coach run the NT. I aint doing this for my own glory and I am happy to admit it when I am wrong or not the best for the NT coach position.

Last edited by Astragoth at 8/31/2011 5:31:34 PM

However, since the England team is out of any serious international contention, now might be a good time to take stock of what we have and get everyone on the same page. Encouraging us to train big men with horrible secondaries and HoF potential is a waste of time because in 2 years, when they are half decent, the current crop of 23 year olds will be much better and that HoF player won't even make the NT.

this is why we are contacting coaches with future prospects and with current NT players. we didnt wait until we were out off contention, we started the day i got elected for the NT. i know that most 22 and 23 year old prospects have already been contacted by enrico and when my time allows it i will contact the 24 and 25 year old ones. like i am also trying to get gameshape up to scratch and while i am trying to get crappy current NT players being trained in some secondaries whilst they are the best we have at the moment until we have better.

but like i said, and i mean it. if you think you can do a better job, run for the NT position next term and you will get my vote.

I cant wait for you to beat the top 40 countries in the world during your reign. The english community needs succes and i am sure you will be the one to bring it in 2 seasons time. you got my vote

Last edited by Astragoth at 8/31/2011 5:36:59 PM

OK, I accept I went in too hard. I do think you are doing a good job in player development for the future of the NT.

I have been reading this forum for while now and to be honest, I don't like the idea that you are putting forward at all. Are you trying to tell me that as England NT manager you would demand managers train THEIR players in whatever skill YOU think will benefit the NT most? I think this is shameful and would frankly be abusing your power, lower level managers look up to the NT coach for guidance on how best to train their players, and to tell someone that training IS high and leaving ID relatively low is terrible because even though that player would work well with your NT, it wouldn't be any good for the managers team at all!

I would not and could not make demands on what they train. I could only make suggestions.

I would tell managers that there is a certain type of player I want for the national team. If they want to train their player to fit their team's interest rather than fit the interests of the national team, that's fine. But, that doesn't mean I (or any national team manager) has to take that player onto the NT.

edit: Training primary skills above 15 will make players cost prohibitive for most lower level managers. My suggestion that they focus on the secondary skills is actually in their interests.



Last edited by Mzungu77 at 8/31/2011 6:37:33 PM

i think you english would say "i agree to disagree with your statement"

i do think for a club team such a player could work, or focus on outside defence (which is in my opinion the most important skill in the game.

if you can train as a club a PG, SG, with 18+ OD, a SF with 16+ OD and a PF and C with 10+ OD, most teams if not almost all will find it hard to have a higher offensive flow to beat such an OD. I am not saying this is entirely impossible, but it will be very difficult. not many bigs have higher passing than 8 or players used at SF dont have a lot higher passing than level 10. so to challenge such an outside defence is hard.

now for the NT, imagine having a 20 OD, on your PG and SG, (believe me this is very rare), 18 OD on your SF, and 10 on your PF and C. you need players with high passing. cant you imagine most countries not having 1 for each position with very high passing? you only need one. we have some very out off whack trained players. sand pearson isnt the worst. not by a long mile. I cant disclose players stats, but play with the salary calculator and see for yourself what passing level our best guards could have. and you will see that we have enough passing on the team to beat alot off OD. we have enough players with 150k + salary. but i am positive not a single EBBL team can sustain 5 150k+ players with high enough passing to beat exceptional OD.

i want to say to all, i dont mind criticism, not at all, but it needs to be based on something, if you criticise by comparing apples with bananas, club teams with national teams or players that other countries have (with perfect skill build) and england nation team players, than i do get a bit cranky... and i am not going to apologise for that. because i mean it when i say, i dont mind criticism and i will admit it when i am wrong, but the criticism must be founded on something

i do think for a club team such a player could work, or focus on outside defence (which is in my opinion the most important skill in the game.)

now for the NT, imagine having a 20 OD, on your PG and SG, (believe me this is very rare), 18 OD on your SF, and 10 on your PF and C. you need players with high passing. cant you imagine most countries not having 1 for each position with very high passing? you only need one. we have some very out off whack trained players. sand pearson isnt the worst. not by a long mile. I cant disclose players stats, but play with the salary calculator and see for yourself what passing level our best guards could have. and you will see that we have enough passing on the team to beat alot off OD. we have enough players with 150k + salary. but i am positive not a single EBBL team can sustain 5 150k+ players with high enough passing to beat exceptional OD.

This is exactly the strategy I was aiming for. Until this post of your's, I didn't realise we had the same view of an optimal National Team.

+1 ball for you, and let me know how I can help. For the record, if this is the direction that the NT is headed, I would seek to CARRY ON the good work.

Last edited by Mzungu77 at 8/31/2011 6:45:55 PM

sorry but i didnt post a strategy in there.

i just stated some facts about our NT and about what players we have available.

ideally you have for the NT about 15 or 16 players with indivdual skill sets. all different from eachother. but that is very unlikely.

but you need high OD or high other skills to stand out. and lower league teams cant sustain such players with such salaries. how do you think most countries that are in the top train their players? Let me tell you, the lower league teams train the players until they no longer can afford them and than div II or div I teams buy these players (before hand already agreed who trains what player) and than trains these players onwards. since this is frowned up on and doesnt work in the benifit off most teams, i decided to take such a role upon myself. train players myself, sell them to a team i know will train them, or when I am ready to get back to the EBBL, I will keep these players and I will not put myself forward for the position off NT coach again. becuase this would cause a conflict off interest.

ps what strategy did you think you read in my post?

Last edited by Astragoth at 8/31/2011 6:49:36 PM

I figured this was your goal:

now for the NT, imagine having a 20 OD, on your PG and SG, (believe me this is very rare), 18 OD on your SF, and 10 on your PF and C.

Last edited by Mzungu77 at 8/31/2011 6:53:15 PM