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Btw if any of you reading this are interested in following the NT closer and understanding the context of the discussion, I encourage you to join the offsite forum:

(http://s3.zetaboards.com/BuzzerBeater_USA_NT/index/)

For those who are wondering about all of the factors that go into why we are still working towards winning our first NT Gold, I wrote a short history on the offsite to provide some context. You can find it here: (http://s3.zetaboards.com/BuzzerBeater_USA_NT/single/?p=82...)

If you aren't interested much in the NT, but need help with your team, the offsite provides a whole lot of great tools (thank you mfork) such as a training planner, attendance helper, matchup predictor, etc as well as many people who will gladly give you advice.

If by immature you mean, needle coco at every possible juncture, then fine.

Whether you want to admit it or not, the offsite isn't what it once was when I started on there. The discussion for tactics was more open in the forums for members rather than coco and whoever in the chats. The whole thing was more... Alive for lack of a better term.

Also, what you might want to call debating... to a new user (like I was) it comes across as arrogance. As new ideas aren't welcome. As before we try it let's say it doesn't work because it doesn't jive with our longstanding beliefs.

The reason I "used" to be a contributor (i still feel I do a little) is because when progressive thoughts and alternate opinions get stomped on without actually taking a chance with the process it makes a game no fun.

Something to keep in mind as you guys pitch yourselves as trying to grow the community and yet not following through or hurting that process.

Lol. And then you ban me for a "personal attack" which is less severe than what has been sent my way.

Ladies and gentleman.... This whole process is now a joke.

Edit: here is my timeout note.

You are banned until Sep 3 2012, 07:23:18 AM. Southpaw,

I wish this didn't have to happen, but you can't seem to control your anger towards Coco. Its one thing to talk about tactics or training and throw in insults to Coco, because at least then we can debate the relevant parts of your posts. Its another thing to just post "Coco is a tool." I'm guessing you won't want to comeback after this, but I'm giving you a 10 day break from the offsite. I hope you do choose to comeback because I remember a time when we used to have a lot of positive discussions. Feel free to bbmail me onsite if you want to discuss this further or simply cuss me out.

jfarb

I'll be back... Check on things from time to time. I will never forget this though!!! (Could really care less)

Last edited by southpaw17 at 8/24/2012 3:34:22 AM

As new ideas aren't welcome

Completely false. We are constantly trying to encourage new ideas and you know that. In the end the manager has to decide which ideas he will implement, because we can't implement them all, there are only 18 spots on the roster for example. Debating the merits of all of our many suggestions and ideas is what makes the offsite enjoyable.

What makes the offsite "not what it once was" is when you choose to no longer participate in those debates and instead try to derail discussion with negativity. I find it ironic that you claim the offsite is not what it once was when you are actively dragging it down, as even you admit that you "used" to be a contributor, implying you know that you no longer are. I hope you choose to be a contributor again in the future.

here is my timeout note

I will address your 10 day ban from the offsite if you wish. When someone just simply posts "Coco is a tool" or "Go f yourself" on the offsite, what do you think the appropriate punishment should be? We chose to ignore it several times and let you continue posting on the offsite. You continued to be insulting. Though you have been this way for nearly 2 seasons now, I could've banned you from the offsite permanently, but I did not because I would like you to have the opportunity to return to form. As a mod onsite I could've just deleted your posts in this thread including this one about your punishment, but I gave you a chance. I think I have been more than fair with you.

Last edited by jfarb at 8/24/2012 3:42:35 AM

Or I said "used" to because you said it in your post Einstein.

And its completely true. My argument that greater IS on guards could generate 6-10 pts per game was not debated.... It was shot down. Also my point that our PF's weren't great was shot down as well.

I could continue.... But this is stuff for the offsite and I'm banned from there. I'll reengage when I'm let out of the corner.

I disagree that it was not debated, the debate ended when you told Coco to go f himself. Trying to get IS on guards is a subject of a lot of discussion on the offsite at this very moment, but as you know its a complex issue.

I hope you choose to reengage civilly, if you do I look forward to the discussion.

You guys make the "punishment". imo its an online forum... If you don't like someone coming after you quit logging on. Coco called me an "idiot" which to me is more offensive than calling someone a tool. Or having some type go f yourself. But hey... Even games have politics.

It's not complex. If you tell a user its required for your guy to make the NT they'll do it. Sacrifice JR training... Boom. Problem solved.

Not sure if you read my post on the offsite concerning training IS on guards, which I am for btw, but I disagree with the idea that you can simply tell someone its required and that will work.

I'll repeat some of what I said on the offsite. Most managers are unresponsive, or simply unable or unwilling to follow training suggestions for a variety of reasons, and they could care less whether the player makes the NT roster.

Training IS on guards is difficult for managers because you have to train the player out of position at C. If that player is a key player on your team, then training the player for several weeks out of position will sacrifice your team's competitiveness. You may find a few volunteers, and luckily now we have a few top managers who are willing to sacrifice for the NT community, but on a large scale it will be very difficult to convince managers to do whats best for the NT instead of doing whats best for their personal team.

Before the offsite debate got derailed, the idea that wozz proposed (and others have proposed this is different forms over time , I know Rambo and smallfrie have mentioned this idea before) about separating some of the u21 talent from the typical u21 arms race so they can get secondary training before they become too important to the team's success to train out of position when they are older. I think that is one possible solution.

Sacrificing JR training I think is happening all over BB as the majority of top teams play LI/m2m.

Pretty sure my position the entire time has been to get to prospects when they are young... Play them out of position at first then do secondarily training.

I only say that because i myself am doing it... But yet its still not happening because our NT manager isn't asking for it.... The job shouldn't be tactics... It's a community thing.