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Not sure what you are ranting about: Darkonako's explanation was kind of obvious. In order to win (I mean EASILY win) in this game you need to have a better team. To have a better team you need assets: cash, players, staff and anything that costs money. The guys in this final are emblematic of how you can easily do that.

Option 1: tank and accumulate cash before buying and running a higher payroll than other people. Misagh has done that twice in the past at the B3 level, so he's not new to this. In fact, they changed the rules to make it harder after his second run. This option is just very boring, it seems like he mixed it up with some training this time, but training actually harms this strategy, because it costs money, it doesn't make you money. Needless to say this strategy is harder in nations with more levels of competition because tanking with no consequences is not possible there.

Option 2: instead of buying a high payroll, buy an average payroll that costs you twice as much to acquire. Now, because of the cash restrictions a new team will not be able to match an established one at this strategy, as you cannot spend 35 million on 7 players in 1 season...because you can't have 35 millions in the bank. The key there is to keep making money in every way you can and update the roster before your players lose too much value. This strategy is even worse than the first: it requires to diligently scout the transfer list and spend a lot of time on the game, whereas the first only requires you to log in sporadically for many seasons. Unlike option 1, where the losses due to the high salary will catch up to you, this strategy can be sustained if you can dedicate enough time.

These 2 managers have been better than others at these strategies, especially Darkonza, but the fact of the matter is very few people play the game this way and only this way. And you can see Darkonza plainly admitting that training while competing is too difficult for him. As if many more managers, even in Poland, didn't do precisely that. The majority of people just don't play the game that way and thank god for that, otherwise we wouldn't have trained players.

Option 3: Give lessons of how incredibly shitty options 1 and 2 are if you want to win in BB while you have not won a title in your country (and lost 5 finals, if possible) in 28 seasons playing BB.

I'll definitely take Option 3.

Last edited by Darkonako at 9/4/2020 7:19:54 AM

I was winning, so it didn't matter

it mattered after your first B3 win when you wouldn't have access to the B3 otherwise.

B3 is a cost not profit

you just explained you made money even though you shouldn't have if you didn't have free access to B3 in the past...but yeah getting free access to money that others don't is a cost, not a revenue! You can say it's not a massive amount and therefore not a massive advtantage, but it's still 300k cash that none of your league competitors had access to unless they won something.

If 300k was not a large sum, you wouldn't be dealing 18yo and 19yo every season for similar profit

Last edited by Lemonshine at 9/4/2020 9:59:02 AM

Daytrading isn't a thing, because they first limited it with GS hits, limits to relisting etc. If you go in the suggestion and discussion forums from s20 and earlier you can see how many threads were about daytrading. There were people whose purpose in the game was to have a 9 figure bank account, some said they had over 80 million in the bank...imagine how that would go against people using the current team building strategies.

In any case, when Utopia came out before s30, it still wasn't enough to stop daytraders from easily winning against B3 champions. Like literally my league had B3 winners and was won by a lifelong D3 Bulgarian guy who made several millions during that first season (he went bot like one or 2 seasons later).

So because of that, they tried to crush it with the sale tax. And aside from the unfortunate consequences of said tax, it mostly succeeded in eradicating daytrading at that scale (like millions and millions made in a season).

Last edited by Lemonshine at 9/4/2020 9:49:56 AM

I cant understand what you are talking about ... the rules are same for everybody ... you can daytrade , you can dont train ... you can do everything that we do ...!
There are many limites , cash limite , extra tax for extra payroll ... if I earn 25m$ in about 8-9 season, for example a person in south korea can earn it in 8-9 season too! Why anyone from HongKong or an african nation or south korea didnt win B3 yet ? :D ( when I won B3 in season 16 Iran had more than 200 users)
You think I cant repeat my succes in a country with 1000 or more users , you are at wrong! Someone like me will succes anyway , if I was in a macro nation I used a diffrent strategy ! My goal was earn B3 and I did it :D
2 times by tanking , 1 time with training ...

some people like darkonza or sahand are like me ! Succes is in our blood :D in other side some people are like you and only can judge others :D stop judging , start show others what you can do :D win B3 by your strategy and learn it to us :))

Last edited by Misagh at 9/4/2020 10:21:25 AM

I promise it's last answer

I was winning, so it didn't matter

it mattered after your first win when you wouldn't have access to the B3 otherwise.

B3 is a cost not profit

you just explained you made money even though you shouldn't have if you didn't have free access to B3 in the past...but yeah getting free access to money that others don't is a cost, not a revenue! You can say it's not a massive amount and therefore not a massive advtantage, but it's still 300k cash that none of your league competitors had access to unless they won something.

only four season... (28, 31,33,34)
four season / twenty five season
In every other country, the former B3 champions used this bonus more than I did
accusing me of this is completely pointless, because I use it less than anyone else - you can also accuse the lowest player that he has close to the basket and therefore plays well
Your objection would apply more to any other B3 winner, but I know how many disadvantages there are in playing B3, therefore don't envy anyone
it's more much easier to make money in national cups
you are looking for some strange reasons to hit me and every now and then new nonsense
you gotta do what I do, since you know the way:
stop training, trade the young players, win B3, and use B3 money to keep the high level
I will add from myself that it's important to lose the national cup (I often do this), you did not notice that, so I suggest
greetings





Last edited by darkonza at 9/4/2020 10:21:53 AM

What i have in min yes, training FTs and stamina sometimes is even more benefitial and value adding than training 85TSP. In first case it making out of mediocre player above mediocre, in second it is just making a mediocre player. What is VORP (value over replacement player) of mediocre one? EXACTLY 0, what is value of mediocre player with good stamina and FTs? Above 0. Thats so simple.

What i want to say, Drakonza said post bellow.

it is about looking for the best path in a given situation, the situation is changing, the strategy is changing

There is no one way to do things, situation is changing and people must adapt, must take decisions, giving most benefits to get some assets. And if the most obvious decision is not to train from young age, and if with that you manage to acomplish something. Then it is good decision, and it is confirmed by results. Every decision has its benefits and
shotcomings.

The best managers adapt, while worse keeps playing in a sandbox withing the walls, their limited minds created, and complain.

There are so many teams playing as long as other B3 standarts succesfull ones. Didnt they had time to work on any strategy you mentioned? Isnt the playing field somewhat equal to everyone? Why does not others teams take "EASY winning strategy"? Who does not let you to take eazy way?

I think the playing field is somewhat equal to everyone, and it is unfair to complain.

Last edited by Vilkai [LTU NT] at 9/4/2020 10:20:31 AM

Blaming Darkonza by you for taking profits from winning B3 is ridiculus. Hello...he didn't steal it but won (many times):-). The rules are the rules. The same for everybody. Not only he takes these profits. You have also possibility to take them if you meet particular conditions:-) Well, here's the point...only one user per season win it. I guess it's not so easy:D So I think winners deserved on it. By the way these profits for just participating in B3 are rather symbolic.

Similar with blaming him for not having crystal ball to guess GDP:-) Hello...GDP's guessing is rather lottery (for gamblers:D) than measurable abillity. That's why evaluating quality of BB manager basing on using/efficiently using of GDP is nonsene. By the way avoiding being hit in GDP is also offensive strategy. That's why you can't tell Darkonza felt overconfident. If he felt confident, he would have played his the best LI.

Yeah and I have done so while training players, generally for my NT, every single season I have been in D1. From 18yo. You know, that very thing Darkonza says it's impossible to do. And while I was spending tens of millions in trainers and scouting points, I happened to get to the finals a few times (I don't think it's 5 times but whatever). Good for me, it was good for my bank account. I never actually tried to win a title in nearly 30 seasons, not in England and not in Utopia: competing has always been important, but secondary to training. My transfer history tells you all there is to know. That's my choice. In the first season in Utopia, when I made the semifinal in the cup, I was training 5 players. FIVE. I demoted once (despite winning 8 or 9 games) after I had a 2 week injury to a key starter at the beginning of the season and I still trained 3 guards at C.

Some people like the challenge and some people like the easy (and logical, mind you) way to win. Option 1 and 2 are both easy, they only require patience and dedication and nobody is claiming there is a more efficient way to win with the current rules. Training (really training from the ground up) players while continuously competing requires much harder choices and compromises, it is like handicapping yourself both economically and tactically. This is why farm teams exist and people with trainees tank: because competing while training is hard (or impossible according to some). A similar challenge for people who don't train would be trying to compete and win a title while being at or near the salary floor. Does it make sense if you are trying to win? No. Is it more challenging? Obviously. Am I claiming people should play this way? Not really.

Once I am done with Needham in a couple of seasons, I will prove in Utopia how easy both of these strategies actually are. I am tired of this trope. Of course, you can always show everyone you can win by training 2 or 3 players from scratch while staying in D1. You definitely have more assets than me (cash and value embedded in players), so you won't be worse off than me.

users , you are at wrong! Someone like me will succes anyway , if I was in a macro nation I used a diffrent strategy ! My goal was earn B3 and I did it :D

never said that, I only agreed with others it's easier to pull off in a micronation. If you read what I think, I think it's easy to do, so yeah you or someone else can definitely do it even in Italy or Spain. It's just more difficult.

start show others what you can do :D win B3 by your strategy and learn it to us :))

lol I must be speaking a different language. If I were going for the B3 I'd stay at the floor for 10 seasons and then run a higher payroll just like you have done. It is the easiest way this can be done. First I would need to convince myself that spending more time on the game or bore my ass into oblivion for 2 or 3 years to win after that is somehow worthwhile. That's a hard sell.

only four season... (28, 31,33,34)
four season / twenty five season

so did I say something incorrect? You seem to be agreeing with me

In every other country, the former B3 champions used this bonus more than I did

yes all former champions had and still have that same advantage as you, although it's now limited by WR, not that it matters with the current user numbers. I don't see how it's relevant when I'm talking about the advantage you have over guys who have to qualify, not over others in the same boat as you...