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Yeah should be good. Seems a little confusing to me though. The way they describe it seems to indicate to me that there is no point in spending any scouting points until after the allstar break because you can spend 10 points at the all star break and get all the players ages and heights. So no point wasting scouting points before then.

It depends upon what you're trying to optimize. Learning earlier whether the top picks in your initial rankings are talented lets you make better decisions about how much money to invest in scouting, because if you end up needing 28 scouting points, it's cheaper to buy 2 each week than to buy 3 some weeks and 1 some weeks.

So, the idea is that there is some tradeoff between spending points earlier and waiting until after the combine, but it's still a system that you can ignore until the day before the draft and get reasonable results.

Can we please come up with a better name than "scouting points". "Scouting sessions" or something along these lines?

How about "Magical Player Quality Verification Units"?

This is my 2ndish season in a conference with 4 players or so that are active. While I agree with you on the advantages on playing in a division with bots. After a while it does get a little old playing against bots / inactive players who don't improve or change tactics.

While I still like checking out my training pops, prob after a while, the next season + the next draft pick will be the highlights and what keeps me excited about the game.

Just wondering why no one agrees with this suggestion:

1. Bot teams first round picks will be random.
2. The other two picks will be based on the ratings.

I'm not too sure about the programming feasibility about this. But this gives the human players a chance to get the better players, without giving them too much of an advantage as well.

I've always wondered why people are so upset each year about the draft.From my experience i would say that really good player are few and far between.In the season i've played this game i had almost every year one player that had a good potential (allstar and higher) that could be trained but i wasn't expecting to draft the next Kobe every time.HoF and All-time Great should be 3 maybe 4 players for the hole country or else there value would be less.I constantly see player with big potential not being trained and people complaining that they draft bench-warmers.
My point and i'm sure many people will not agree with me is that there should be 1 HoF scattered in a div and about 4-5 in a country (i mean 1 HoF - div.I/ 1HoF - div.II1,2,3,4/ and so on).
Teams in div.III/IV/V should focus on getting those star/allstar potentials and not so much for the superstars/MVP because as i've see what would a team do if they ware let's say 4th in Div.IV with a player that has a 100k salary, they would have a team that has 2 good players and 3 that could be subs or they would have to sell that player and buy 3 20k players.
I'm not saying that lower div should not have the chance to training All-time Greats but i think they would have better teams if they focused on getting balanced teams instead of the great C and lousy PG/SG and moving up in a div. would give them the opportunity to take the next step in training higher revenue players.
I see this as an advantage more than a disadvantage.

I would disagree with you here. I think that as long as anybody is in a bot-heavy league he is far far behind in comparison to the country's leaders(surely that must be the case in 99% of the cases). In this line of thinking I'd say such managers should have the possibility to close the gap a bit easier. Would they face the same conditions as everybody else? Probably not but still they are so far behind that they could easily have an advantage like this. Basically all I am saying is that this game should (to some extend) promote the idea of new managers catching up with veterans. And for teams in bot leagues draft was one of the major weapons.

but he is normally on a comparable level with the guys at his level, and get lot more money etc. already as his opponents. in germany the IV.1-IV.40 have normally very few bots and that is the place where the majority of teams play. But if you look in the IV.56 you see just a few human teams who fight against the first 40 to get into the first divisions in future(and don't know if i would happy, when i am a guy in the harder division when the BB will give huge advantages to guys who already have it lot easier and just saying damn they are weaker then the top clubs so that is ok^^).

The reason we removed the random picking of botteams to this system, is that teams in a league with lets say 14 botteams got too much of an advantage above other players. They could and win most games, and pick the best talents. If you are in a league with that many botteams it will certainly be somewhat harder to get the best talents, but for most managers (there are few leagues with that many botteams) you won't see much of a change.

Sorry but I can’t agree with you. If you play in a league with many bots you have anyhow the advantage in not having to scout for the first N players ranked on top of the baseline ranking corresponding to the number of bots in your league. Furthermore if your league is full of bots you are most likely to be not very strong anyhow and the little advantage of having a large choice of talents will just help you to catch up a little bit faster.
The rule of the bots picking the top players in the baseline ranking could become a problem for small countries where talents are rare anyhow. Their chance of picking a top player will be even smaller by now while big countries will continue finding a lot of high potential players....

I don't want to discuss about the new system but I want to say that is not acceptable to have a big difference among II.1 - II.2 - II.3 - II.4; I mean that in our division the best player drafted is an 8k salary with potential 8, in another division the best player drafted is an 3k salary with potential lvl 6. To be fair the system must have more or less the same players.

To be honest, how many players with 8k salary and potential 8 do you see??? That's the dumbest comparison I have seen yet. Nomatter which league get's that guy, it's probably better draft than 99% of drafts around the world anyway. Are we talking about potentials here? There are decent players with lower salary aswell. You don't have do draft that 3k pot6 guy, why not take that 5k pot 4-5 guy?
You agreed with this division equality. So should all div2-s be equal. Or just in one country. What about all div4-s? There are 64 of those, or don't you care about nothing else but upper levels. What you fail to understand that draft is a big pool with junks randomly taken from there. Yes there is a chance that one draft get's more from the upper latter of the pool and some drafts get more from the lower latter of the pool. That's what random is about. It would be really boring if every draft had 2 decent players and were clones of eachother.

The text you quote isn't even mine.
What I wrote was this

The difference in the draft lists among different leagues in far too big. And I am not talking about the best one or two players.

i'm one of those that think that the quality of top prospects in draft pools is too much different from one pool to another.
i understand what random means and i'm not bitching: i just happen to have a different idea than yours.

There were around 100 All-time great talents placed on human teams in the draft this year amongst 14778 leagues. Even if things were spread out as evenly as possible, fewer than half of the leagues could receive a player better than superstar.

I understand the desire to equalize draft pools. There might be some debate as to whether it's a good thing to do, but regardless I don't think I see a way it might be accomplished. What would you suggest be done?

Don't know if it can be easily done, but you could use constrains.
One constrain could be that there cannot be less than 20 and more than 28 18yo players in each pool, another one that there cannot be more than 2 players with potential above 9 or no more than 5 with potential below 2 (all these are rough numbers, of course)

Once you generate a player (in the exact same way you do now) you can verify if, according to the constrains, he can be added to that pool or has to move to the next one.

Last edited by Newton07 at 7/2/2010 5:56:59 AM

For that matter, as has been pointed out several times by people trying to convince us to go to a system more like the present one, you didn't really have to have scouted LeBron to know that he was at the top of his draft class. In fact, under the current system if you discover such a talented player in your draft pool, you will even be able to estimate pretty well where he'll go in the draft order and plan accordingly.

That is another element that can be used as part of a strategy, cos as soon as you know there is a Lebron James in the draft, you can proceed to tank the season. This is exactly what Boston Celtics did to try to get Oden or Durant when they tanked the season.