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"endless months of investigations"

Today, I saw a report at 15h30. I finished it at 15h55. If nothing visible like a ban happens after month, it's because the decision was different than a ban: fine or nothing because nothing was relevant. There is no investigations lasting for months.

you are wrong....several greek teams where banned am not sure about the number and it took more than 2 months, just before Christmass...

If you have no interest in reporting cheating, that's your problem (and well also a little for the others). It indicates that the presence of the cheaters do not disturb you, it's just the fact that you will not know exactly when and what will be the fine that disturb you.

this is a slight twist on my saying....Am not interest in one-way communications. i dont want just to fill some lines about something that upset me and then as U said....live in the dark :)))
personally if i could see that cheaters were punished (see , not read that 129 teams were banned etc) then i would consider paying more attention to the game and report cheating

Opinion by BB are rare if not never on the Suggestion Forums and I think you'll agree with me, today is not the right day for a BB to participate on such a topic.

i respect that, today especially? i hope i havent missed something about today... :)))

People keep saying that we don't know what's happening but the number of cheaters caught is constantly updated in the 'Report cheaters' link, I mean constantly and better than the training update *cough* check it from time to time, check it every hour or so and see.

Of the few times I have reported cheating, they were blatant cases dealt with within hours. I can tell it from the last log-in date.

It's simply a matter of trust if you don't want to acknowledge we know what's happening.

I don't think victimization is the step to take, especially in the case of fines. As long as cheating is prevented, there is no need to ostracize users. At the end of the day, it's only a game.
I don't see a lot of complaints about cheating in the game and I don't personnally think cheating is a problem on BB unlike other online games.
Cheating is a main issue on online games and BB already does a very good job to prevent it.
I can't see why a list of anonymous aliases will help prevent cheating, I only see awkward and bitter things coming out from it.

I probably shouldn't say that but Perpete is a cheaters hunter legend. I speculate he was bullied by cheaters in kindergarten and is relentlessly seeking revenge ever since. You have never seen his layouts with mother teams, subsidiairies and arrows everywhere. He's mad :)
Don't underestimate his skills, you are not going to teach him what's cheating and what is not. On this matter, whatever he says I'd trust him.

That already happens, and current policy would apply, that GMs decisions are not to be discussed, hence you can just ignore those cheaters.

we have senior gm who handle it, who would be happy to hear that everybody comes with punishment other people who looks similiar on the first view. And i am quite sure that that will be happen, and people will feel threated unfair, because he can not show the reason why it was cheaper there then here ;)

4 and player try to act in a grey area where the risk is maybe more valuable then the punishment

not sure i follow that point, can you please elaborate further?? thanks

You see what punishment you get for doing X, you also know that you don't get anybody - so maybe you would thing the risk is worth it, and do it.

That already happens, and current policy would apply, that GMs decisions are not to be discussed, hence you can just ignore those cheaters.

which will lead to unsatisfied players, who think that the gm make random/unfair decisions even when they don't know all the fact. and also ignoring them is work, deleting threads, new tickets etc.

Yes, I agree that Pillory more relevant in those games, and more direct impact in those "live" games, but surely if you present more information that leads to less misunderstandings, its normally the other way round, less knowledge, secrecy and lack of information that leads to misunderstandings.

this will lead to much more missunderstanding, i am quite sure because only full information(which cann't be released will give a clear view) so the pillory just give room for suspicions.

People complain now, and chase the GMs all the time, cause there is no entry whatsoever, so the only way to find out is by contacting GMs all the time. While with Pillory you can refer them to the list/entry and make life easier for you guys.

but they have less reason too discuss it ;) And to say here is the pillory is as much work then send out an warning, especially when you had to say that must be on page 23 of it ;)

@ GM-Perpete : a few days ago , a friend got a transfer price correction, 1 and a half month after the initial transfer. the player was transferred again after 3-4 weeks. 1 and a half month ... obviously some cases get longer to check. again i have to repeat that we are not complaining of the GMs' work. we simply suggest to add a feature in the game, nothing more nothing less..

Although not directed at me, how do you think will a pillory increase the reaction time of the GMs?

that was an answer given as a response to this comment :

There is no investigations lasting for months.

dont try to twist things...Nobody implied a pillory would increase the reaction time of the GMs, we are only asking from the BB, to announce these teams that are cheating and for whom we have been asked to assist in finding them by reporting them...

that was an answer given as a response to this comment :

There is no investigations lasting for months.

dont try to twist things...Nobody implied a pillory would increase the reaction time of the GMs, we are only asking from the BB, to announce these teams that are cheating and for whom we have been asked to assist in finding them by reporting them...

Ok, my bad - I didnt realize you were referring to this point. However, why is it important how fast a case is solved? The most important fact it that it was solved anyway - I guess its not fair to demand higher reaction time from volontary workers.

My fines were always extremely fast (but I guess thats because I am on some peoples "radars" - greetings to Western Europe and North America!) and in the two cases I reported there was nothing done about it but at least in one case I got an answer within a few days.

@ GM-Perpete : a few days ago , a friend got a transfer price correction, 1 and a half month after the initial transfer. the player was transferred again after 3-4 weeks. 1 and a half month ... obviously some cases get longer to check. again i have to repeat that we are not complaining of the GMs' work. we simply suggest to add a feature in the game, nothing more nothing less..

did he reported himself, or maybe someone reported the case just late? Maybe after seeing the differences in the prices etc.?

i dont think its matter of satisfying our curiosity....

its just the second part of a simple process the game itself has...

(first part) Report a cheater-(second part) issue a fine (where is needed)

since a user is using his time to report something he considers not right...i think he deserves an answer...

for instance: thank you for the report, the team has been penalised
or
thank you for your report everything was done acccording to the BB rules

But this WILL take time...and i know you GMs arent getting paid...

A list would be a simplified way of giving some feedback to those who bother making a report...

unless you think its all about curiosity and people who write a report deserve to stay in the dark....
(i dont think people would appreciate this...)

Last edited by Thor at 2/12/2011 7:43:49 AM