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Never? I counted at least 16 full games (46-48 minutes) played at PG in that guy's entire career. He's got OD. His rating is also inflated by virtue of that team playing with bigger effort. All in all I'd say that such rotten shooting isn't that surprising.

EDIT: it's actually 23 whole games at PG in total. I doubt many of these training sessions went towards PA. There's also the fact that the winning team played at home.

If that level of OD (maybe 13-14?) is enough to hold a guy who has 14 JR to less than 10% from beyond the arc, I think that sums up my point.

(And if his OD really was that good, my SF wouldn't have been projected to have 114.9 PP100, although of course it might just be that PP100 is broken and outside shooting really is working as intended, which is to say not at all).

But hrudey, aren't you neglecting the fact your guys played against both HCA and more effort?

I mean, I never paid attention to PP100 and as far as I know this indicator might be broken as hell and not really useful. Game ratings, for instance, for SFs who get 13.5 with 35 minutes played do kind of indicate that he's quite a solid outside defender (here I'm going off my own observations of different guys at the SF spot) Though, I do think your SG had a really horrible night and that this is something to wonder at given the guy who guarded him.

If this was a single, outlier type game, sure, it would make sense that once in a blue moon a guy could shoot less than 10% against a defender who at the very best could be maybe at the same OD level as his outside shooting. But I've run enough outside offense and seen it happen way too frequently at this point to be able to point to that. I had thought it was related to Princeton as I saw it happen a lot more there, but now that it's happening in Motion (and I've seen it happen with the SG at C patient as well), I'm out of ideas.

I don't think it's HCA/effort related, at least in terms of that. I can chalk up the fact that they pulled the game out later to that, and maybe some increase of the effectiveness of defense and rebounding.

Anyway, I think I really do need to finally go through my games and start logging the incidence of games where someone shoots insanely low like this (or the rarer and happier ones where a guy goes like 8-9 from outside when he had no business doing so).

I'm going to back away from the discussion mostly because I really do think it's time to go ahead and catalog some of the matches I've had to try to have something more than just having watched a couple hundred games in the viewer while they were happening and being various stages of irritated during them. ;)

I think what you're saying about the passing makes sense, but my gut feeling is that it's not what happens - for outside shooting, at least. Passing down low in inside offenses is the bomb, but for jumpers and threes, it's never seemed to make much of a positive difference. I also had a pretty high passing PG with my pre-rebuild Princeton lineup where most of the data will come from, along with a team that no real deficiencies in passing in the lineup.

And for my friend from Germany, I suppose this is why I wanted to devote even more time to JR for Schur (in between feeding him cars that is). He's almost shooting worse from three than from two, which is simply unacceptable! ;) He was also the weak offensive link in my fun little PL game, where I went with a 5-guard Princeton and had 86 JR on the court against a mediocre perimeter defense.

go with a 1-3-1 zone