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I think one of the tactics that can beat the Look inside can also be Outside Isolation, for which almost no team have the right players. You can create the most mismatches on SG, SF and PF positions, so those three players should be "unique", but not in a way to create salary monsters. SG should have great IS and PF should have great JS and JR, but main "star" of the team should be a great great SF. PG and C should have supportive roles: OD, PA and DR for Point Guard and RB, ID and PA for Center. I guess a team like this could be near unbeatable, but still manageable in terms of salaries.

I think one of the tactics that can beat the Look inside can also be Outside Isolation, for which almost no team have the right players. You can create the most mismatches on SG, SF and PF positions, so those three players should be "unique", but not in a way to create salary monsters. SG should have great IS and PF should have great JS and JR, but main "star" of the team should be a great great SF. PG and C should have supportive roles: OD, PA and DR for Point Guard and RB, ID and PA for Center. I guess a team like this could be near unbeatable, but still manageable in terms of salaries.

OD20 ID10 DR20 some SB and how much points will you score with your SG? OD10+ at PF and the same thing is here (we have seen 16OD at PF right?). i guess these seconadries are well trained in good teams.
but it is always good we have players trying something new.
for me, this season was not boring at all. i tried 3 different ways how to succed. three differents ways- it has not been here for a while. we can see many people trying new strategies these days.
BBS just need to devaluate SB and JR and there would be huge tactic battle after that.

Last edited by LA-zajino at 10/13/2011 5:49:29 AM

BTW...Great game last night...I really thought you were going to win until the Winner was leaked. Good luck next season..

OD20 ID10 DR20 some SB and how much points will you score with your SG? OD10+ at PF and the same thing is here (we have seen 16OD at PF right?). i guess these seconadries are well trained in good teams.

I think teams that have SGs like you said are quite rare. Maybe there are more of them out there then I think, but can teams with such SGs have similarly good players in all positions? Not everyone are cash-machines like VS...

So let's say your SG can stop my SG in Outside Isolation since I can't make a mismatch there. Maybe I can make a mismatch on SF or PF position? How many teams have along SG you mention also a PF with OD16, ID20, SB10 and SFs with OD16,ID16, SB8-10? If each of these three players have also good offensive skills, they are impossible to pay for more than one season except for 2-4 teams in the BB world. But even then, such complete players are one in a million. I doubt a manager can gather such SG, SF and PF all in one team AND have a good PG and C along, plus good backups. VS has a great team, but I think he lacks one great SG to play more different tactics. Instead, he puts a PG on SG spot and plays LI.

I think teams that have SGs like you said are quite rare. Maybe there are more of them out there then I think, but can teams with such SGs have similarly good players in all positions? Not everyone are cash-machines like VS...

honestly, VS doesnt have such a great team (in terms of individual players weak spots) but he has too many players with good stamina, so for team with sustainable roster almost imposible challenge, becose A) you wont have money for salaries. you dont have good enough both attack/defense oriented guys (you cant winB3 if your team is just one way focused, right Secret agents?) C) you dont have enough salaries to have deep enough squad.

In terms of outside ISO you missunderstood me a bit, i said top teams usualy have top defenders and as long as i virtualy have OD20, OD19 and OD16 with nice IDs and DRs you are almost done. and as long as i have OD10 at my PF spot it is easy to eliminate you OR my strong spots will outplay your ones. But i dont critisize that attempt though i just said what might be its weak spot (and as long as OD is power house, i see you would have hard time to create succsesfull team with that tactic)

I liked the moutlinhos way though but still, OD is king as long as JR gets devaluation in salary.

In terms of outside ISO you missunderstood me a bit, i said top teams usualy have top defenders and as long as i virtualy have OD20, OD19 and OD16 with nice IDs and DRs you are almost done.

I agree, but Outside ISO is something between Patient (attack is oriented on 2-3 good players), Base Offense (players take all sort of shots and the ball movement is decent) and Push the Ball (lots of driving if your players have it, passing is important, GE is looking for mismatches); if I have unique players for each of SG, SF and PF position, I think also players you mentioned will have a hard time stopping them. For example, what will you do against such SG:

JS15 JR11
OD20 HA19
DR20 PA12
IS 15 OD10
RB 5 SB 5

I know IS15 on a SG is a lot to ask, but if you focus on IS instead on JS and JR, you can make it. Your SG should have at least 12-15 ID to successfully counter him, or ID10 and SB10...and how many SGs like that exist? (Btw, I'm trying to create a player like this right now - he has only 18y for now though). A player like this has salary around 160k.

If your SG with great defensive skills should have also great shooting, and a bit of PA, he would have a salary of 210-250k. This is not a small difference in salary. That's why I think the "future" for great teams is to train skills in positions that are not very salary demanding (IS and ID on guards; JR, OD, PA on inside players).

but he has too many players with good stamina

Well I assume he's training ONLY stamina/FT, since his youngest player is 25 (and he's less than a mediocre player).

but he has too many players with good stamina

Well I assume he's training ONLY stamina/FT, since his youngest player is 25 (and he's less than a mediocre player).

no he trains game shape. at least last two weeks he did.

JS15 JR11
OD20 HA19
DR20 PA12
IS 15 OD10
RB 5 SB 5

wouldnt he score more with look inside or patient?:P

If your SG with great defensive skills should have also great shooting, and a bit of PA, he would have a salary of 210-250k. This is not a small difference in salary. That's why I think the "future" for great teams is to train skills in positions that are not very salary demanding (IS and ID on guards; JR, OD, PA on inside players).

i would take the guy with 250k salary if he is my own NT player, becose merch would reduce his salary by 50k and that is reasonable salary. but that is other thing.
it is of course very good for you to train player like that, becose anything that is unique is expensive on market, you know.
and it´s been couple of seasons big teams train players out the position. that is necesary. i am fan of teams with different tactics, ones you make it work, you could be unbeatable. but you wont win B3 if at least 4 of your starters can score.
edit: this guy would score pretty much the same way as VS´s players at SG position. you would pay less of course on salaries.

Last edited by LA-zajino at 10/13/2011 8:54:03 AM

i respect rwystyrk for trying something new but i don't think Patient will help beating an efficient Look Inside..
i'm testing that tactic for about 1,5 seasons and i don't think it can give the extra field goal success in compensation for the rebounds you give away..

I´m not really sure that you will loose so many rebounds. If you set your line-up right and then swap some defensive positions you will have same number of rebounds in defense like in a common line-up.
If you set the right player against worse defender he can give you around 40+ points with more like 50% percentage and that can be key factor in a game because you don´t loose nothing in defense ratings.

Your Push the ball is too expensive how you have mentioned. Patient can be good choice but I haven´t tried it many times so it´s just my suggestion without any relevant proves.

wouldnt he score more with look inside or patient?:P

LI: He would score same or more, but he would take only midrange shots, layups and inside shots, at which he is best, but the same would do his teammates as opposed to outside ISO

Patient: Patient focuses on only one scorer, outside ISO does on 2-3 players. With Patient, you have to find yourself a mismatch (SG on PF for example), while with Outside ISO you could find mismatches for your players at their natural position.

You think "my player" wouldn't be a part of a NT team?

Anyway, we are already quite off topic (I started it, I know), so I will try to restrain a bit from it.