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Yeah and I have done so while training players, generally for my NT, every single season I have been in D1. From 18yo. You know, that very thing Darkonza says it's impossible to do. And while I was spending tens of millions in trainers and scouting points, I happened to get to the finals a few times (I don't think it's 5 times but whatever). Good for me, it was good for my bank account. I never actually tried to win a title in nearly 30 seasons, not in England and not in Utopia: competing has always been important, but secondary to training. My transfer history tells you all there is to know. That's my choice. In the first season in Utopia, when I made the semifinal in the cup, I was training 5 players. FIVE. I demoted once (despite winning 8 or 9 games) after I had a 2 week injury to a key starter at the beginning of the season and I still trained 3 guards at C.

Some people like the challenge and some people like the easy (and logical, mind you) way to win. Option 1 and 2 are both easy, they only require patience and dedication and nobody is claiming there is a more efficient way to win with the current rules. Training (really training from the ground up) players while continuously competing requires much harder choices and compromises, it is like handicapping yourself both economically and tactically. This is why farm teams exist and people with trainees tank: because competing while training is hard (or impossible according to some). A similar challenge for people who don't train would be trying to compete and win a title while being at or near the salary floor. Does it make sense if you are trying to win? No. Is it more challenging? Obviously. Am I claiming people should play this way? Not really.

Once I am done with Needham in a couple of seasons, I will prove in Utopia how easy both of these strategies actually are. I am tired of this trope. Of course, you can always show everyone you can win by training 2 or 3 players from scratch while staying in D1. You definitely have more assets than me (cash and value embedded in players), so you won't be worse off than me.

users , you are at wrong! Someone like me will succes anyway , if I was in a macro nation I used a diffrent strategy ! My goal was earn B3 and I did it :D

never said that, I only agreed with others it's easier to pull off in a micronation. If you read what I think, I think it's easy to do, so yeah you or someone else can definitely do it even in Italy or Spain. It's just more difficult.

start show others what you can do :D win B3 by your strategy and learn it to us :))

lol I must be speaking a different language. If I were going for the B3 I'd stay at the floor for 10 seasons and then run a higher payroll just like you have done. It is the easiest way this can be done. First I would need to convince myself that spending more time on the game or bore my ass into oblivion for 2 or 3 years to win after that is somehow worthwhile. That's a hard sell.

only four season... (28, 31,33,34)
four season / twenty five season

so did I say something incorrect? You seem to be agreeing with me

In every other country, the former B3 champions used this bonus more than I did

yes all former champions had and still have that same advantage as you, although it's now limited by WR, not that it matters with the current user numbers. I don't see how it's relevant when I'm talking about the advantage you have over guys who have to qualify, not over others in the same boat as you...

training FTs and stamina sometimes is even more benefitial and value adding than training 85TSP.

more comedy to BB. Now a player with 55 TSP and 10 ST is better than a player with 140 TSP and 2 or 3 ST. Hey look at all these D1 teams winning with a full roster of 55 TSP guys!

Every decision has its benefits and shotcomings.

correct, one of the shortcomings being a braindead way of playing the game with no fun whatsoever. Another being having to spend a lot of time in the game. Another being feeling no challenge and losing interest and eventually quitting. Even mamba from Dyonisus decided he had enough and started training for his NT.

Nobody here is disputing that the paths these 2 guys chose to play the game is the most efficient if you try to win. What I'm disputing is that they are hard to do and that they are fun

Didnt they had time to work on any strategy you mentioned? Isnt the playing field somewhat equal to everyone? Why does not others teams take "EASY winning strategy"? Who does not let you to take eazy way?

because one is boring as hell the other needs time investment and both require to accumulate assets over time. More people in this game train, instead of competing or do both, because they can see their trainees grow. Do you want to fault them or tell them they are worse, just because they can't stomach tanking, doubling or tripling the time they spend on the game or waiting for calendar years to accumulate enough assets? Laughable.

I think the playing field is somewhat equal to everyone, and it is unfair to complain

If I say one strategy is easy or boring or simply requires the time investment, am I complaining? I think I'm simply stating the obvious, but do tell, what or who exactly am I complaining about?

Winning isn't my primary goal, other managers have tried to win not using LI or using high SB teams. Everyone has different goals. Does this diminish Misagh or Darkonza's accomplishments? No, but I reject the notion that their way of getting there is not easy compared to the goals others set for themselves in this game.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 9/4/2020 11:53:11 AM

Why so much hate on B3 winners?
They are awesome, the best of the best!

By the way these profits for just participating in B3 are rather symbolic

he said 300k per season, not me. I think it was actually you who complained when they introduced the sale tax, because you had so many sales that the tax algorithm for you resulted in negative values. And I think it was one of you guys, perhaps you again, who stated openly in the forums: how can you expect us to compete if you take away the 500k/season we make from scamming people with young players? 300k and 500k per season is not irrelevant and besides, due to that tax, the old 500k are now 300k and people still trade youngsters. Why? It's all symbolic, isn't it?

You don't know what you are talking about...but let's leave it. It doesn't bigger matter in discussion about B3. Especially that I haven't played in B3 for a long time🙂

...but I guess I was wrong;-)

Yes, you were wrong back in October 2014 and you still are 6 years later. Goodbye.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 9/4/2020 9:09:18 PM

I think as opposed to coming after 1 or 2 successful managers, this could be moved to the suggestions forum with some problems identified and concrete proposals. For example, picking up an extra 300k a season in selling new draftees is huge and don't think it should be part of a winning formula for the same reasons day-trading was curtailed earlier, so I'd suggest increasing the tax on 18 and 19 year olds by 30%.
And darkonza is being very transparent with their strategy, which I appreciate. They don't have to be, they could just be argumentative and belittling seeing as they are the most successful team. And as an aside, why is it an important strategy not to go for the tournament win?
It sounds like we have similar tastes in playing the game, my preference of playing is trying to win with non-traditional builds that I can't find on the market so it tends to be training 18 year olds, that I'm hoping can be competitive in BBB. So I hope you do have some suggestions that are implemented, and I'm sure darkonza and Misagh would be happy to try to figure out what ways they can continue to win with the new challenges.

Last edited by Fresh24 at 9/4/2020 11:14:25 PM