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In terms of outside ISO you missunderstood me a bit, i said top teams usualy have top defenders and as long as i virtualy have OD20, OD19 and OD16 with nice IDs and DRs you are almost done.

I agree, but Outside ISO is something between Patient (attack is oriented on 2-3 good players), Base Offense (players take all sort of shots and the ball movement is decent) and Push the Ball (lots of driving if your players have it, passing is important, GE is looking for mismatches); if I have unique players for each of SG, SF and PF position, I think also players you mentioned will have a hard time stopping them. For example, what will you do against such SG:

JS15 JR11
OD20 HA19
DR20 PA12
IS 15 OD10
RB 5 SB 5

I know IS15 on a SG is a lot to ask, but if you focus on IS instead on JS and JR, you can make it. Your SG should have at least 12-15 ID to successfully counter him, or ID10 and SB10...and how many SGs like that exist? (Btw, I'm trying to create a player like this right now - he has only 18y for now though). A player like this has salary around 160k.

If your SG with great defensive skills should have also great shooting, and a bit of PA, he would have a salary of 210-250k. This is not a small difference in salary. That's why I think the "future" for great teams is to train skills in positions that are not very salary demanding (IS and ID on guards; JR, OD, PA on inside players).

but he has too many players with good stamina

Well I assume he's training ONLY stamina/FT, since his youngest player is 25 (and he's less than a mediocre player).

but he has too many players with good stamina

Well I assume he's training ONLY stamina/FT, since his youngest player is 25 (and he's less than a mediocre player).

no he trains game shape. at least last two weeks he did.

JS15 JR11
OD20 HA19
DR20 PA12
IS 15 OD10
RB 5 SB 5

wouldnt he score more with look inside or patient?:P

If your SG with great defensive skills should have also great shooting, and a bit of PA, he would have a salary of 210-250k. This is not a small difference in salary. That's why I think the "future" for great teams is to train skills in positions that are not very salary demanding (IS and ID on guards; JR, OD, PA on inside players).

i would take the guy with 250k salary if he is my own NT player, becose merch would reduce his salary by 50k and that is reasonable salary. but that is other thing.
it is of course very good for you to train player like that, becose anything that is unique is expensive on market, you know.
and it´s been couple of seasons big teams train players out the position. that is necesary. i am fan of teams with different tactics, ones you make it work, you could be unbeatable. but you wont win B3 if at least 4 of your starters can score.
edit: this guy would score pretty much the same way as VS´s players at SG position. you would pay less of course on salaries.

Last edited by LA-zajino at 10/13/2011 8:54:03 AM

i respect rwystyrk for trying something new but i don't think Patient will help beating an efficient Look Inside..
i'm testing that tactic for about 1,5 seasons and i don't think it can give the extra field goal success in compensation for the rebounds you give away..

I´m not really sure that you will loose so many rebounds. If you set your line-up right and then swap some defensive positions you will have same number of rebounds in defense like in a common line-up.
If you set the right player against worse defender he can give you around 40+ points with more like 50% percentage and that can be key factor in a game because you don´t loose nothing in defense ratings.

Your Push the ball is too expensive how you have mentioned. Patient can be good choice but I haven´t tried it many times so it´s just my suggestion without any relevant proves.

wouldnt he score more with look inside or patient?:P

LI: He would score same or more, but he would take only midrange shots, layups and inside shots, at which he is best, but the same would do his teammates as opposed to outside ISO

Patient: Patient focuses on only one scorer, outside ISO does on 2-3 players. With Patient, you have to find yourself a mismatch (SG on PF for example), while with Outside ISO you could find mismatches for your players at their natural position.

You think "my player" wouldn't be a part of a NT team?

Anyway, we are already quite off topic (I started it, I know), so I will try to restrain a bit from it.

i find that that shooting guard would actually score better in inside isolation, than outside isolation as he be using his inside shot and driving more to his advantage. Instead of taking more mid and long range jumpers.

This is just from past experience were when i play inside iso my PG or SF depends on which position he is on will score my most points due to his strong IS against very weak inside D. While my PF dominates in outside Iso as he has Prominent JS causing a mismatch against his player therefore hitting alot more mid range jumpers.

Good luck in finding mismatches at natural positions.
Patient si not working primarily on mismatches, my team will play patient to Uhrovic whatever position he plays even if Lípa or Smolnik plays at PF with mismatch.

Against Tenakha I made more off. rebounds than he made even if there was more possesion in his offensive part of court. Also last season semifinal it wasn't so big issue against VS.
I think you overestimate rebounds in this tactic.