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However, since the England team is out of any serious international contention, now might be a good time to take stock of what we have and get everyone on the same page. Encouraging us to train big men with horrible secondaries and HoF potential is a waste of time because in 2 years, when they are half decent, the current crop of 23 year olds will be much better and that HoF player won't even make the NT.

this is why we are contacting coaches with future prospects and with current NT players. we didnt wait until we were out off contention, we started the day i got elected for the NT. i know that most 22 and 23 year old prospects have already been contacted by enrico and when my time allows it i will contact the 24 and 25 year old ones. like i am also trying to get gameshape up to scratch and while i am trying to get crappy current NT players being trained in some secondaries whilst they are the best we have at the moment until we have better.

but like i said, and i mean it. if you think you can do a better job, run for the NT position next term and you will get my vote.

I cant wait for you to beat the top 40 countries in the world during your reign. The english community needs succes and i am sure you will be the one to bring it in 2 seasons time. you got my vote

Last edited by Astragoth at 8/31/2011 5:36:59 PM

OK, I accept I went in too hard. I do think you are doing a good job in player development for the future of the NT.

I have been reading this forum for while now and to be honest, I don't like the idea that you are putting forward at all. Are you trying to tell me that as England NT manager you would demand managers train THEIR players in whatever skill YOU think will benefit the NT most? I think this is shameful and would frankly be abusing your power, lower level managers look up to the NT coach for guidance on how best to train their players, and to tell someone that training IS high and leaving ID relatively low is terrible because even though that player would work well with your NT, it wouldn't be any good for the managers team at all!

I would not and could not make demands on what they train. I could only make suggestions.

I would tell managers that there is a certain type of player I want for the national team. If they want to train their player to fit their team's interest rather than fit the interests of the national team, that's fine. But, that doesn't mean I (or any national team manager) has to take that player onto the NT.

edit: Training primary skills above 15 will make players cost prohibitive for most lower level managers. My suggestion that they focus on the secondary skills is actually in their interests.



Last edited by Mzungu77 at 8/31/2011 6:37:33 PM

i think you english would say "i agree to disagree with your statement"

i do think for a club team such a player could work, or focus on outside defence (which is in my opinion the most important skill in the game.

if you can train as a club a PG, SG, with 18+ OD, a SF with 16+ OD and a PF and C with 10+ OD, most teams if not almost all will find it hard to have a higher offensive flow to beat such an OD. I am not saying this is entirely impossible, but it will be very difficult. not many bigs have higher passing than 8 or players used at SF dont have a lot higher passing than level 10. so to challenge such an outside defence is hard.

now for the NT, imagine having a 20 OD, on your PG and SG, (believe me this is very rare), 18 OD on your SF, and 10 on your PF and C. you need players with high passing. cant you imagine most countries not having 1 for each position with very high passing? you only need one. we have some very out off whack trained players. sand pearson isnt the worst. not by a long mile. I cant disclose players stats, but play with the salary calculator and see for yourself what passing level our best guards could have. and you will see that we have enough passing on the team to beat alot off OD. we have enough players with 150k + salary. but i am positive not a single EBBL team can sustain 5 150k+ players with high enough passing to beat exceptional OD.

i want to say to all, i dont mind criticism, not at all, but it needs to be based on something, if you criticise by comparing apples with bananas, club teams with national teams or players that other countries have (with perfect skill build) and england nation team players, than i do get a bit cranky... and i am not going to apologise for that. because i mean it when i say, i dont mind criticism and i will admit it when i am wrong, but the criticism must be founded on something

i do think for a club team such a player could work, or focus on outside defence (which is in my opinion the most important skill in the game.)

now for the NT, imagine having a 20 OD, on your PG and SG, (believe me this is very rare), 18 OD on your SF, and 10 on your PF and C. you need players with high passing. cant you imagine most countries not having 1 for each position with very high passing? you only need one. we have some very out off whack trained players. sand pearson isnt the worst. not by a long mile. I cant disclose players stats, but play with the salary calculator and see for yourself what passing level our best guards could have. and you will see that we have enough passing on the team to beat alot off OD. we have enough players with 150k + salary. but i am positive not a single EBBL team can sustain 5 150k+ players with high enough passing to beat exceptional OD.

This is exactly the strategy I was aiming for. Until this post of your's, I didn't realise we had the same view of an optimal National Team.

+1 ball for you, and let me know how I can help. For the record, if this is the direction that the NT is headed, I would seek to CARRY ON the good work.

Last edited by Mzungu77 at 8/31/2011 6:45:55 PM

sorry but i didnt post a strategy in there.

i just stated some facts about our NT and about what players we have available.

ideally you have for the NT about 15 or 16 players with indivdual skill sets. all different from eachother. but that is very unlikely.

but you need high OD or high other skills to stand out. and lower league teams cant sustain such players with such salaries. how do you think most countries that are in the top train their players? Let me tell you, the lower league teams train the players until they no longer can afford them and than div II or div I teams buy these players (before hand already agreed who trains what player) and than trains these players onwards. since this is frowned up on and doesnt work in the benifit off most teams, i decided to take such a role upon myself. train players myself, sell them to a team i know will train them, or when I am ready to get back to the EBBL, I will keep these players and I will not put myself forward for the position off NT coach again. becuase this would cause a conflict off interest.

ps what strategy did you think you read in my post?

Last edited by Astragoth at 8/31/2011 6:49:36 PM

I figured this was your goal:

now for the NT, imagine having a 20 OD, on your PG and SG, (believe me this is very rare), 18 OD on your SF, and 10 on your PF and C.

Last edited by Mzungu77 at 8/31/2011 6:53:15 PM

this is a dream.

are you willing to train your C 2 or 3 seasons out off position to get to level 10 OD and 10 PS?

and i forgot to mention 8 or higher JR too off course.

Last edited by Astragoth at 8/31/2011 6:54:26 PM

The difference between good and great players is out of position training. So, yes that is what I would expect of any national team player.

than i cant wait for you to start training such players... if any prospects come along, i will be sure to let you know. but if you cant handle high salaries than it is better you start with 18 and 19 year old ones. because the bigs we have now on the NT need alot off secondary training, but I doubt you can handle their salary.