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Maybe his player was better than yours?? maybe his team defense as was well , you cant blame patient for your lost . players have a bad nights.

I don't play Bots, lower league that has nothing to do with playing tactic or knowing how to play them. What your saying is foolish. I have layed patient for long long time. SO Keep reaching for insults. You lost your game because his player was just better or your player had a bad night simple as that.

You cant blame patient for the lost then turn around and say I had this player with 1000 jump shot and he didn't a make basket.. other things play a factor too.. You just cant use one example and make it the law for all.. I played patient more than you have so who would know. Level of league don't have damn thing to do with knowing about a tatics.

If that is case why did you use a jumps shooting pf with patient.?? Show me who does that?? why not play run & gun or low post.? why play something you don't have the team for?? Are you not in level two you should know these things.

Again practice what you preach

Maybe his player was better than yours?? maybe his team defense as was well , you cant blame patient for your lost . players have a bad nights.

I don't play Bots, lower league that has nothing to do with playing tactic or knowing how to play them. What your saying is foolish. I have layed patient for long long time. SO Keep reaching for insults. You lost your game because his player was just better or your player had a bad night simple as that.

You cant blame patient for the lost then turn around and say I had this player with 1000 jump shot and he didn't a make basket.. other things play a factor too.. You just cant use one example and make it the law for all.. I played patient more than you have so who would know. Level of league don't have damn thing to do with knowing about a tatics.

If that is case why did you use a jumps shooting pf with patient.?? Show me who does that?? why not play run & gun or low post.? why play something you don't have the team for?? Are you not in level two you should know these things.

Again practice what you preach

His player had much higher inside defense than Yi's IS, for sure. But his OD is not particularly high, certainly not as compared to a 15/15 JS/JR player. But I'm not "blaming the loss" on patient. I lost because Pappy had a better team and my road Patient PON in game 1 was part of a strategy for the finals that ended up getting ditched once I saw how game 1 went.

A jump shooter at PF or C (in that particular case, both) is a very common strategy to try to take advantage of a mismatch when you're an underdog. The logic is that a quality outside shooter being guarded by a low OD player should hit a pretty high percentage of shots, between open shots and shots contested by poor outside defenders.

Your understanding of the tactics is flawed, period. You have claimed that you spent all that time learning tactics in V, but something fundamental like Patient doesn't take into account inside mismatches escapes you still. Of course, if you're playing a center with 4 JS against V teams with 1OD at the center position, you'll still see a lot of shots from that C, and offensive rebounds being put back of course will skew the shot distribution.

But I suppose I should be glad you're willing to share your expertise; please tell us again how you can create a team that spends 12 seasons without making it to III so we can all share in your success.

look patient find the mis-match any where on the floor/ if that guy missed a lot of shots you cant claim the tactic didn't go to the mis -match of him. It clearly did , its eithers 1.your player was double teamed, 2. had a bad night and missed shots or 3 he was out skilled.

btw I really don't care for anything here or the higher leagues. Only thing that peek my interest is watching b3 tourney and the tactics. I have said that plenty of times no reason to re track it now. What you like to do is not my interest . im not going to knock you for it. Higher leagues Is the same thing's the lower leagues . It still train, play ,and tactics.. If its harder who cares. I don't clearly don't.

On a side note, your IV league looks like there is a lot of tanking going on or something. That or just a very larger separation in the top half and bottom half of your side. You rarely see four 3-0 teams and four 0-3 teams like that. It appears that it is also going to be the VERY VERY RARE four 4-0 teams and four 0-4 teams once your league gets updated, since the 5th-8th seeds all lost again. Race for 8th?

Last edited by E.B.W. at 4/15/2014 11:09:30 PM

This formula is almost certainly wrong because there is too large a disparity between the triple offensive skills and OD if you multiply them. This greatly devaluates the worth of OD if you calculate vs the offensive skills. Thus, there is no way to explain why the guy on C was not being the go to guy in Hrudleys example unless you tell me the opposing center had better OD than the opponents PG.

Second, from my own experience with patient, DR seems to have a superior impact on how the player is chosen and JR much less so.

look patient find the mis-match any where on the floor/ if that guy missed a lot of shots you cant claim the tactic didn't go to the mis -match of him. It clearly did , its eithers 1.your player was double teamed, 2. had a bad night and missed shots or 3 he was out skilled.

btw I really don't care for anything here or the higher leagues. Only thing that peek my interest is watching b3 tourney and the tactics. I have said that plenty of times no reason to re track it now. What you like to do is not my interest . im not going to knock you for it. Higher leagues Is the same thing's the lower leagues . It still train, play ,and tactics.. If its harder who cares. I don't clearly don't.

Read what Manon wrote. Read it again. And if you're still interested in the concept of playing jump shooters at PF and C in a patient, feel free to examine last night's NBBA game: (69098110)

This formula is almost certainly wrong because there is too large a disparity between the triple offensive skills and OD if you multiply them. This greatly devaluates the worth of OD if you calculate vs the offensive skills. Thus, there is no way to explain why the guy on C was not being the go to guy in Hrudleys example unless you tell me the opposing center had better OD than the opponents PG.

Second, from my own experience with patient, DR seems to have a superior impact on how the player is chosen and JR much less so.

I entirely agree with your results regarding DR and JR. The player who ended up taking most shots for me is an 18 JS/10 JR/17 DR guy, as opposed to the 15 JS/15 JR/14 DR of the guy I was hoping would shoot. With the OD differential between my opponent's C and his guards, I thought that would work. If I were to try it again, I'd probably have stashed the 18/10/17 guy as a backup at either the PF or C shooting positions.

Manon look his player took 20+ shots it went there..It tried to work. it was unsuccessful. Other things play a factor in patient as well, as the foe defense rating. double teaming,stamina. etc etc. If we look it tried, it went the mis match. his player didn't make baskets.. he doesn't have a true patient team ,he has a inside team.. was that reason why he looked badly. Yes, we make that claim.

I have heard tactics have been tweeked in the past,. We have to understand pf don't shoot a lot of 3 pointers. If that' was the mismatch he was looking for. Then play something that bring the player to the mid range to 3pt shot.. Again as you pointed out the foe Od might have been better.. pressure of the shot clock and double team . We cant just say patient didn't look for mis match it clearly did. His player took 20+ shots, other things played a factor in performance that night.

Patient in shooting everywhere for the best shot, the mis match on the floor... It tried in his game , we have go other reason why his player didn't perform. It hard to have team that can player every tactic.. You just cant slap on a tactic and say it should work because a player with 100 0d and 1000 jump shot and say a it's sure win, because this game has double teaming, it just false to say it a sure win, all tactics have a certain amount skill that make them effective in each player, one player can do it alone or make it work... So its more to it, than what anyone can explain.

It looks like to me his player had a bad night or was out matched by his defender and defense, maybe they double team him and he took bad shots out of a double team.