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Up to you to not hear what people think and only answer with the same arguments.

But you haven't explained a coherent argument against either. A season would still have 22 games, just like now, you still have 3 games per week where you need to deal with GS and Enthusiasm...but on top of that you have cup games that are almost meaningless (depending on whether they would count for training or not), since there is very little to decide on for those (pure tactics, but no effort and minute management considerations) and you can happily disregard them once you are out of the cup anyway. The cup games become the same sort of stuff B3 games are: a little more than private league games that for most people would last 1-3 weeks.

You may not understand this since you are not one of the teams who can reasonably compete in the cup, but the Cup/Tournament currently is often the largest random factor affecting D1 leagues and to a lesser extent D2 leagues, much bigger than injuries. The Cup draw often decides who is relegated and may decide who wins the title, based on who throws (intentionally lose) which league game in order to fight for the Cup, with unpredictable and sometimes unfair consequences.

It seems to me that Joemaverick's suggestion would change nothing for 90%+ of the users in terms of time they need to spend on the game. You'd still have to plan for 3 games (it will be a little more complicated than now), but you don't have to waste time finding a scrimmage (for all non supporters). I just don't see all the extra time you would be required to put in, but feel free to elaborate

Last edited by Lemonshine at 8/17/2020 1:43:19 PM

I would add a cup tournament for each division (in a country or across countries)

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You may not understand this since you are not one of the teams who can reasonably compete in the cup, but the Cup/Tournament currently is often the largest random factor affecting D1 leagues and to a lesser extent D2 leagues, much bigger than injuries. ...

I can understand because I play at a similar game and I'm playing in the first division since 3 seasons... and some player claims the same things against the cup randomisation... curiously, it's always claimed in the name of newbie by experimented players, always with the goal to save the game but in fact to facilitate the game for experimented teams.... the choice to be done between cup and league is one of the spice when playing seriously... why change the game to facilitate the cup for the top teams ?

You are seriously mistaken if you think a D2 team will have a chance against most D1 teams and that any kind of change to the cup will alter this reality in any meaningful way.

The choice between cup and league is MUCH EASIER at any level than the choice between league and league games. In the second instance there is no escape. Even teams that now finish 22-0 with +700 PD would be unlikely to win 22 games if they had 3 league games per week, because something's gotta give and people will know you cannot play your best lineup every game. At the very least you'd have to mix it up or throw one of the 3 league games. Pretty much you'd need bots in your league to go for 22-0 and hope that games against those bots are spread out.

So you are in fact advocating for the opposite of spice. You are advocating for very easy choices about which game to throw, choices which have a limited impact on yourself, but have potentially an enormous impact on others (this is because if I win 21 games and throw 1 game, that team who benefited from that extra W or massive PD difference will end up with a much better standing than it deserves). So you want the game to be easy: the way the cup was changed in the past already made it easier for weaker teams. For people like you, who were crying because they had tough match ups in the first or second week, they made sure everyone played bots at the beginning of the season.

The logical solution is to change the cup into something different: simply make it an international tournament: those in BBB play BBB and if you are D2 or D3, you get a mini random tournament for D2 or D3 teams, maybe determined by team World Ranking or something: a sort of a private league with cash prizes, so everyone has a chance to win. And these tournaments should have lower cash prizes for wins like they get for a win in the B3.

The illusion that the cup mean anything to teams in D2 and below, that someone at that level is actually trying to win it, is laughable. The cup is a cash cow for 95% of BB teams: if you are a lower division team you simply hope you are lucky enough you avoid better teams so you can get a little extra weekly money. And sure enough, that extra money is a lot of money for a D4 team, but NOBODY will carry a 700k roster in D2, D3 or D4 to compete for the cup.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 8/18/2020 7:47:51 AM

I'm sorry, but I fully disagree. More you write and less I approve. There is absolutely no interest for a new player, so it will absolutely not help the game to survey. It's only for old players which are bored to play since a long time and search new things... but any change to maintain old players will never save the game, only preserve advantages to be in the game since a very long time.

And please don't assume my thoughts, you get it wrong every time.

I let you answer for yourself.

hahaha, what a tosser. Let's hear what you have to propose to make this game easier for new players. Go on, indulge me.

And when you do, you'd do well to remember that:
- I can find you at least 10 posts and heated arguments, where I asked for a bigger arena for new users in the past, although I would have got no benefit whatsoever from it. The devs gave you a bigger arena.
- I asked for less tanking and reducing the economic advantage of higher leagues. Done, D1 has a much higher salary floor as a percentage of total salary than lower divisions and now there are many more teams than before that earn more money in D2 than in D1.
- Game too hard to learn. I didn't ask for this, but they gave you a tutorial, just in case reading the manual or RiP's guide ws too hard on the eyes.
- 99.9% of initial team players were total bums when I started, I among others asked for better initial players for new users like you. They gave you star players and sensibly increased the quality of initial players.

Apart from all the spoon feeding above, that you ALREADY have, tell us what else you want mate, so we can decide whether to have a laugh or cry. Do you want not to have to compete for trophies and promotions? Free promotions for all? Do you want to have a way to make tens of millions in 1 season?


Last edited by Lemonshine at 8/18/2020 10:22:47 AM